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    I honestly think people that can't pass a certain exam should knock it!!! You might think that the test is worthless, but other people don't feel the same way. When you take the test and pass with a perfect score the 1st time around then you can say how worthless the exam was.

    I have been in the IT field almost 11 years now and I have seen people that think they know what the hell they are doing and even try to talk like they know what they are doing, but in reality they have no clue what's going on.

    I dunno...I just can't get people sometimes.
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    Perhaps you do not need the exam for the type of work you will be doing. It is not an exam for everyone.
    I agree wholeheartedly, however my employer is paying me an exhorbant amount for every tech certification I earn - I thought the "entry level" A+ would be a cake walk, considering my current knowledge level. The fact is, I can't imagine anyone needing to know many of these skills (printer repair? CPU voltages?) in today's tech industry. I was shocked to find such questions appearing at the expense of useful and ommitted information such as cabling standards. As it stands, this test is remeniscent of grade school state capitals for me, lots of memorization which will be forgotten shortly afterwards.

    The three 'Geek Squad' people I know are famous for formatting/reinstalling the OS as well as recommending complete system upgrades to people who only need their system to read e-mail....This type of 'techinician' hardly needs an A+ certification.
    Tell me about it. The Geek Squad went to crap shortly before it's acquisition by Best Buy. There was sort of a mass exodus which more or less drove the sale - it's a pity really, it used to be an amazing company.

    Frankly, the exam should not retire sections. Candidates today should still be required to know DOS and there should be more MAC. People will always drag those things in. Maybe not often, but your likely to run into someone who has some treasure tucked away and now they need some help.
    I disagree in some respects. My command of DOS has been invaluable in my time as a techie, however knowing backwards CPU standards is ridiculous. In the impossible event that someone wanted to pay me to upgrade their 286 processor, first I would laugh at them and then I would utilize the internet. No need to memorize all of those socket types and CPU bus speeds.

    Good Luck on your exam. Doesn't sound like you'll need it
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    I agree some of the questions are pretty stupid, but what are you going to do??? Can't get around them so your only choice is to study what the exam requires you to know if you want that cert.

    If you feel the questions are stupid and a waste of time I'm pretty sure there is some way for you to email the exam writers and tell them how you feel about some of the questions they put in the exams.
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    I think this thread has gotten out of control.

    I also whole heartedly disagree that the A+ knowledge is useless. The type of tech who relies on the Internet to bail them out will be the one who doesn't get the job. Not saying that I don't use the Internet, I do for a lot of stuff, but there is a difference in methodology. When I have to write some extrenuous functions in php, php.net is my friend. When I have to swap out a motherboard or do a processor upgrade, fix printers, etc., I can look at the stuff and instantly know what I need without reference.

    If I was a customer, I would rather have someone helping me with credentials than not, and not get the type of support that you get when you call so and so tech support and they read off the screen from a knowledge base that's free online anyways.

    If the A+ cert is too elementary for you, than why don't you tackle some of the harder ones .. if you think CompTIA is a joke, then take Security+. The whole thing with the original poster is: He said the exam was worthless yet he failed and bagged on the exam as if it's pointless anyways... would you want that person helping you fix your problems?
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    Your post is somewhat contradictory - so it's okay to use the internet to look up PHP functions but not to reference motherboard socket types?

    Anyway, I don't think anyone is disputing the difficulty of the A+ exam, just the pointlessness of much of the information therein. I will definately not argue the genius of CompTIA - a group of obviously non-technicians with the amazing ability to compile manuals and charge steeply to quiz us on the information inside. Why the job market stands behind the test so strongly is a testament to the cluelessness of the general populace when it comes to technology.

    Another interesting angle they have cultivated is that no one dares denounce the exam becuase the people who have memorized these countless volumes will (apparently) defend it to the death.

    Isn't there anyone out there willing to admit that it's worth it for the employement-prospects (or bonus in my case) but that the info you are required to learn is largely irrelevant? I think a big reason why this does not happen is because most industry long-timers avoid this test. I feel like I'm debating with CompTIA employees here . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduckduck
    I will definately not argue the genius of CompTIA - a group of obviously non-technicians with the amazing ability to compile manuals and charge steeply to quiz us on the information inside. Why the job market stands behind the test so strongly is a testament to the cluelessness of the general populace when it comes to technology.

    Another interesting angle they have cultivated is that no one dares denounce the exam becuase the people who have memorized these countless volumes will (apparently) defend it to the death.

    Isn't there anyone out there willing to admit that it's worth it for the employement-prospects (or bonus in my case) but that the info you are required to learn is largely irrelevant? I think a big reason why this does not happen is because most industry long-timers avoid this test. I feel like I'm debating with CompTIA employees here . . .
    LOL..Good point...People hate this exam because people feel it should be common knowledge & a given for anyone in the computer field. The people who seem to hate the exam are those who have been techies or those who design networks or systems at a high in depth level & had A LOT of experience with A+ work. I started out a bench tech...
    I never took the exam, I know everything about a PC though & I am100% confident I can manipulate a pc anyway I want & fix any issue aroused within one. Anything about sockets & crap like that...I go Google...I have forgotten more that a lot of A+ bench techs even know..But it does take some time to memorize the prep book to pass..
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    LOL..Good point...People hate this exam because people feel it should be common knowledge & a given for anyone in the computer field. The people who seem to hate the exam are those who have been techies or those who design networks or systems at a high in depth level & had A LOT of experience with A+ work. I started out a bench tech...
    I never took the exam, I know everything about a PC though & I am100% confident I can manipulate a pc anyway I want & fix any issue aroused within one. Anything about sockets & crap like that...I go Google...I have forgotten more that a lot of A+ bench techs even know..But it does take some time to memorize the prep book to pass..
    Well said...I also started as a bench tech in '95 and now I work with networks...I have forgotten stuff that some techs don't even know now. I took my A+ in '97. When the test still had Windows 3.11 and DOS commands questions. Took Hardware and Software back to back and passed in one shot!!!

    You think the A+ is hard now consider your self lucky you didn't take it in '97. You had to remember how much memory to allocate to load Windows 3.11 and how much memory to allocate to run certain programs and in which order or how to edit the WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI files when troubleshooting Windows. Can you go into the AUTOEXEC.BAT and troubleshoot that now with DOS commands??? or CONFIG.SYS???
    How about remembering every single IRQ setting and what each IRQ was used for...this is when every card you put in a PC had jumpers.

    One of your worst enemies was a modem believe or not!!! You had to make sure you set the jumpers for the IRQ's correct on your modem or you can screw up the whole pc's IRQ allocation. Man I don't miss those days!!! THANK GOD for plug and pray!!!
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    One of your worst enemies was a modem believe or not!!! You had to make sure you set the jumpers for the IRQ's correct on your modem or you can screw up the whole pc's IRQ allocation. Man I don't miss those days!!! THANK GOD for plug and pray!!!

    But that was fun

    No, I agree, PNP is a very helpful tool. The thing that bugs me, is there are so many people who have now cracked open their chassis and decided that they can install the boards themselves (and they can), but think this makes them a 'PC tech'. IT DOES NOT.

    I still disagree with anyone thinking that the A+ is:
    1. Entry Level
    2. Waste of time

    If you are working directly with systems and most likely home users in a computer shop you do run a good chance at running into many of the things on the exam. Will you see everything? No.

    Trying to explain the reasons to not take an exam for more money (braggin rights for you or the company) is like trying to explain why buying a DVD player from w@l-m@rt is a bad idea. Short term, it looks like a good thing...Long term, it is bad for more than the two who initially profited.


    Anyway, I still stand by not everyone needs to take the A+. If you are going into a Design, Engineering, Web-type path, seems little reason to know how to swap ram, add a HDD, or change a PS.

    If you take it, then don't discount it as a waste of time. There are far too many people I run into on a daily basis who pretend to be competent with hardware/OS's and some have A+, yet they cannot troubleshoot basic topics from the exam objectives.
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    Because I'm sure you're all dying to know, I passed them both today. Thank God they didn't hold me to the 4 hour testing scheme I was originally given, rather they let me hit them one after the other and both tests only took under an hour to complete.

    Quote Originally Posted by viper75
    You think the A+ is hard now consider your self lucky you didn't take it in '97. You had to remember ...!
    Unfortunately, you still need to memorize all of those things for the '03 version of the exam. That aside, I need help trying to decide if I should continue on my path of insisting that 75% of the A+ could be discounted as useless knowledge. Because I'm kind of thinking of becomming one of those fanatical defenders of the exams now that I've passed. I just bought an ESD strap I plan on wearing EVERYWHERE from now on and a multimeter to test processor voltages.

    Haha - just joking guys. I'd never wear an ESD strap.
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    I think what kills this exam is how fast technology changes. Who cares about sockets & pin outs? They change every month. If you are truly in IT than you will be up to speed with technology .

    Like Viper said..Back in 97' I bet that was tough. That is when people actually thought you were smart if you could open a PC..Now days though alot of people have caught up, the geek next door can fix your PC now & that trumped the A+..Fixing a PC doesn't pay the bills either like it use to..Its almost like the A+ tech & the VCR repair guy play golf after work together.
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    If you cant pass this exam...That's pretty sad.

    I'm in high school. I've passed both the OS and Hardware tests. And before they allow you to take the cert test. You have to take a Tech Prep test worth 6 credits. The tech prep test is at least 10 times harder than the cert test. I've passsed it. Maybe you need to go back to school
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    If you cant pass this exam...That's pretty sad.

    I'm in high school. I've passed both the OS and Hardware tests. And before they allow you to take the cert test. You have to take a Tech Prep test worth 6 credits. The tech prep test is at least 10 times harder than the cert test. I've passsed it. Maybe you need to go back to school

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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveIT
    If you cant pass this exam...That's pretty sad.

    I'm in high school. I've passed both the OS and Hardware tests. And before they allow you to take the cert test. You have to take a Tech Prep test worth 6 credits. The tech prep test is at least 10 times harder than the cert test. I've passsed it. Maybe you need to go back to school
    What's sad is that this IloveIT posted several major cheat sites in another topic by circumventing our filter... I'm sure knowing the answers in advance makes A+ an easy test for anyone.
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    If you cant pass this exam...That's pretty sad.

    I'm in high school. I've passed both the OS and Hardware tests. And before they allow you to take the cert test. You have to take a Tech Prep test worth 6 credits. The tech prep test is at least 10 times harder than the cert test. I've passsed it. Maybe you need to go back to school
    What's sad is that this IloveIT posted several major cheat sites in another topic by circumventing our filter... I'm sure knowing the answers in advance makes A+ an easy test for anyone.
    Yeah that is pretty sad when you have to cheat. Any test is easy if you know the answers.
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    Just Try it again

    If I had ot guess I'd say your Taking a course through CDI (I am too) but in all honestly so far Im' 1 month into it and with the way the course is weighed 70% hands on and 30% exams getting a high average is not all that hard if you can pass the exam and know what ur donig for the hands on.

    I've been studying for about 2-3 weeks I've read my book tried practice tests at 3 or 4 different sites... read the study guides there and just recently started with the exam cram2 software.. the more angle to use to prepare your self the more chance u have of being sucessful
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    But that was fun

    No, I agree, PNP is a very helpful tool. The thing that bugs me, is there are so many people who have now cracked open their chassis and decided that they can install the boards themselves (and they can), but think this makes them a 'PC tech'. IT DOES NOT.
    Remember the sound cards that you had to connect the CD-ROM ribbon cable and speaker wire to? The one that came with the floppy that had the program that said basically; --if you hear the test tone you're good to go, if not choose another dma and/or irq, and then gave you a list? --Those were the days.
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    A+ exams are simlpy great My friends. There is something i hav learnt regarding humans. Once they hav succeded in doin a certain thing that every one straggles for , they start braging , thereby lossing respect and discouraging their folks. this is Ouite Tricky....

    guys, i'm about to sit for my hardware & need any help from anyone of UUUUUUUU!!!!!!
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    i hated doing A+, it was just a pain learning about old computer junk we no longer use..

    but I can say the same for spanish class and gym in school..

    ..sucked, but taught us learning and education systems...

    A+ is a foundation for ANY IT person... if I were a IT director and was hiring someone.. I would look for A+ even if they had a Cisco cert or MCSE...why?

    would you hire someone who just grad HS without going to 1-4th grade?

    anyone can pay and spend time and goto MCSE bootcamp or Cisco, but showing your full spectrum and getting a A+, even if you Ace it, shows your dedication to a Complete Tech Training..PLUS A+ is a basis for everything in IT
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    Quote Originally Posted by IloveIT
    If you cant pass this exam...That's pretty sad.

    I'm in high school. I've passed both the OS and Hardware tests. And before they allow you to take the cert test. You have to take a Tech Prep test worth 6 credits. The tech prep test is at least 10 times harder than the cert test. I've passsed it. Maybe you need to go back to school
    If you’ve had the opportunity to learn computer repair in school, maybe COMP TIA doesn’t apply you. But, when I was in school, computers were like, Radio Shack TRS 80’s. I actually did learn about them, if you want to talk about useless knowledge. If you are going to school and learning how to be a computer tech, that’s fine. However, what happens when you are working full time but would like to move into another field, maybe just to better yourself? Or, like in my case; what happens when computers move into your field? Suddenly, or not so suddenly, you realize you need to become a competent computer technician to maintain your standing in your field. What are you going to do if you can’t go back to high school but you still want to learn? More importantly, how does the employer know you have learned anything. How does he separate the wheat from the chaff? I guess you could tell him you’ve learned everything there is to know and then some in high school! Maybe, that will work.

    Frankly, I’m thankful for COMP TIA’s tests. Because of them, I’m proving to the hiring community, that even at my advanced age, I can still learn and am willing to do so. Maybe it’s not of the utmost importance to them that I may be actually learning some things I no longer need to know! I guarantee that if you have been in the electronics field for 20 years your brain is going to be loaded with obsolete stuff. That doesn’t matter, what matters is, you are still learning the new stuff. You’ve got to keep learning because things keep changing.

    If I can get a couple of certifications under my belt and really learn along the way, with my experience, it will bode well for me. I will be able to maintain my standing as a competent intercom and clock system technician. Who knows, in the future ( Yes, guys my age still consider the future) if I applied for a promotion, or maybe a better job with another company, the hiring authority might be happy he’s found a person with experience and credentials. He may even choose me over some kid who’s gone to school and says he knows everything!
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    Frankly, I’m thankful for COMP TIA’s tests. Because of them, I’m proving to the hiring community, that even at my advanced age, I can still learn and am willing to do so.
    Finally...somebody who knows what half of the entire learning process is all about...
    At least some people here have a clue as to what 'education' means...

    Duckduckdork, or whatever u call yourself, you must be really inexperienced, really young, or just really stupid.
    You think all of education and passing exams etc is just to gain that particular knowledge? rofl...I assume you haven't spent much time in 'real' school, or real life for that matter.
    You think 6 years of law school means you are ready to be Joe Lawyer, out on your own, ready to defend OJ in his next murder trial? No...it means you've shown you have the dedication, the drive, the desire, and the ability to accomplish a given task.
    You really think all the companies who require an A+ for employment REALLY care if you know what CPU's go into a Socket 7 connector, or PERHAPS they are just a BIT more interested in the fact that you were able to do what it takes to pass this exam? Maybe its not just ALL about the actual knowledge, but they also care that you were able to learn the objectives presented to you and complete the task at hand?
    Duckdork, you are basically THE reason that education and certifications exist in this world...to weed out complete morons like you.
    Go back to Geeksquad, as thats about the only thing a simple mind like y ours will ever be good for.
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    Let's keep the name calling out of the discussion, shall we?

    From time to time people will post things that strike a nerve within us, but keeping things professional doesn't mean we need to sink to that level.

    It is nice to see your comments and your support of elathrop, but try to keep it from becoming a flame of another.

    I'm sure you'll see here that your views are in the majority here, and not against the exam.

    Take it if you need it. Don't take it if you don't.
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    You 'are incorrect' to think CompTIA is a joke, 'seriously'... CompTIA got my foot in the door easy. And dude, if you can't pass A+, use this website's tools, they are helpful. I passed A+ when I was 15 with no prior experience, now I am working on my CCNP and I am 18. All thanks to CompTIA.





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