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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoCal19 View Post
    It's not that cut and dry honestly... So I have no problem reading through Lammle's book and labbing some, to make sure I have a decent understanding of the topics. But I'm not going to kill myself or put forth the effort to pass the CCENT exam... I've seen the effort you put into certs, and I have no problem admitting that when it comes to the CCENT, I'm not putting forth as much effort as you have man.
    100% Agreed.

    And at the risk of Blasphemy:
    Passing an Exam doesn't PROVE anything.
    It Only proves that you Know HOW to pass an exam.

    Conversely,
    Failing an Exam doesn't PROVE anything either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by volfkhat View Post
    100% Agreed.

    And at the risk of Blasphemy:
    Passing an Exam doesn't PROVE anything.
    It Only proves that you Know HOW to pass an exam.

    Conversely,
    Failing an Exam doesn't PROVE anything either...



    Sometimes I'd rather fail than pass, like you said passing don't always prove anything. You could still be lying to yourself.

    The positive thing I like is the score shows me where I'm solid and were I'm weak, so I don't need to cover the areas I'm strong too much.
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    Do you have Lammle's book? If you are currently enrolled in WGU it's on skillport. This book seems to do a better job at explaining some things and fills in some holes left by Odom's book. It's also a much easier read in my opinion and has you labbing through most of the book. I'd say Lammle's is more like an exam cram, mainly only what you need to know, while Odom's is more like a reference book.

    Good luck on your next attempt! I'll probably be taking it next week, and will let you know if Lammle or Odom's book was more beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfiend View Post
    Do you have Lammle's book? If you are currently enrolled in WGU it's on skillport. This book seems to do a better job at explaining some things and fills in some holes left by Odom's book. It's also a much easier read in my opinion and has you labbing through most of the book. I'd say Lammle's is more like an exam cram, mainly only what you need to know, while Odom's is more like a reference book.

    Good luck on your next attempt! I'll probably be taking it next week, and will let you know if Lammle or Odom's book was more beneficial.
    Lammle's book fills in holes left by Odom's book? Really? I think it's actually the opposite. Odom's book is far more technical and Lammle's book is easier to read yes, but if plan to go further than CCNA you should probably get used to reading the CiscoPress books because Lammle isn't going to be there for the CCNP.
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    Maybe Odom's was too dry that I zoned out or it just wasn't explained very well. For instance I don't recall much info about ospf dr, bdr, abr and elections in his book.
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    I find that I am preferring Odom's book to Lammle's as well. I think this is just a personal thing, but I feel that Lammle jumps around from one topic to another in a rather confusing fashion, whereas Odom's seems to build logically. Reading Lammle's bok for the first time, I said to myself "thank goodness I already know decimal to binary conversion and subnetting from having done the Network +, because if I had to learn it like this I might be screwed..."

    Again, I think it's just a personal preference of the teaching style.
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    I'm sorry to hear about the exam. But you are really close. I got 801 the first time I took it. Just remember the exam is not as much of memorizing facts as much as it is applying the concepts. Just keep calm the next time you go in there. I know you will pass the next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kMastaFlash View Post
    I'm sorry to hear about the exam. But you are really close. I got 801 the first time I took it. Just remember the exam is not as much of memorizing facts as much as it is applying the concepts. Just keep calm the next time you go in there. I know you will pass the next time.

    wow 801, I would have picked up the testing computer and say a micro tremor hit only that part of the building and it fell on the ground...
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    Did some thinking before and I think I'm going to use the equipment I have at home and make a small OSPF lab, now that I got the 3750G's that I used in the VMware cluster, saved the config for later. I think I'm going to go with this design:

    Hardware:
    Attachment 6922

    Design:
    Attachment 6923
    my reasoning partially, is the exam says I suck at: Operation of IP Data Networks, IP routing, and Network Device Security.

    So with that being said, you'll notice in the picture of the hardware is a orange cable on the right, each one is a management connection per switch connection into the HP Procurve 2910al MDF switch, going to apply an ACL only allowing telnet into those switches but only from the 3750's downward and accessing the routers with SSH only from the Procurve and my Office PC's IP, I know sound convoluted but I got a few security questions on the exam I swear I got right but just to be sure....

    As for routing, well making an extremely overkill and redundant OSPF area with layers of redundancy and I plan on intentionally breaking it with changing areas and adding encapsulation/relays.

    As for the Operations of IP Data Networks, I honestly have no bloody idea how I scored so low on that one, that's like the basics, it behooves me honestly... cause it's basically telling me I don't understand the basics of a switch and a hub and their difference as-well as half/full duplex, make me go

    .... like if I didn't know IP Data Networks and IP routing, I wouldn't have been able to make a complex (well to me) core/distro/access setup: dual router vrrp core and dual L3 switch distro (redundant uplinks/trunks) with a 6 switch access layer stack by myself with a OSPF area 0 and static routes @ 150 with 10 vlans at my work last month. Maybe making that at work solo gave me a false sense of understanding, those Dell switches were easy to setup after I did all the visio designing and subnet design with VLSM.

    and yes, it's getting very very very warm in my office after 6 hours of labbing, half of the lab is built....

    Thoughts, suggestions?


    Whelp this lab is all finished, officially. Now to break it and add some encapsulation ppp and relays.

    For a few minutes, seriously tried to remove the 115.40 router-ID I set to the router, but found out my core procurve only does RP v2, so no opsf love there. Ended up having to set the router-ID manually, because turning off the router or clearing the process wouldn't remove it. But now the top 1721 can ping all the way to the bottom perfectly fine.

    Legion:

    1.1.1.1.1 = 1721 (core-top)
    2.2.2.2 = 2600 (core-left)
    3.3.3.3 = 2600 (core-right)
    4.4.4.4 = 3570G (distro-left)
    5.5.5.5 = 3750 (distro-right)


    3750G-Top-Right#
    3750G-Top-Right#telnet 172.16.10.9
    Trying 172.16.10.9 ... Open


    User Access Verification

    Username: trevor
    Password:
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#ping 172.16.10.18

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.16.10.18, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 36/40/56 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 172.16.10.17

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.16.10.17, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 36/40/60 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 172.16.10.21

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.16.10.21, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 32/38/56 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 172.16.10.22

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.16.10.22, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 28/31/32 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 192.168.102.1

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 192.168.102.1, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 28/29/32 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 192.168.106.1

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 192.168.106.1, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 36/40/56 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 192.168.108.1

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 192.168.108.1, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 32/40/60 ms
    1721-Core-R1#ping 192.168.104.1

    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 192.168.104.1, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 28/31/32 ms
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#show ru
    1721-Core-R1#show run
    Building configuration...

    Current configuration : 1217 bytes
    !
    version 12.4
    service config
    service timestamps debug datetime msec
    service timestamps log datetime msec
    service password-encryption
    !
    hostname 1721-Core-R1
    !
    boot-start-marker
    boot-end-marker
    !
    enable secret 5 $1$FsF8$vG6NU4ai67Xs7vLLBuVdR/
    enable password 7 060800314D5D1A0E0A0516
    !
    no aaa new-model
    ip cef
    !
    !
    !
    !
    !
    !
    !
    username trevor privilege 15 password 7 0822455D0A16
    !
    !
    !
    interface Loopback0
    ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255
    !
    interface FastEthernet0
    no ip address
    shutdown
    speed auto
    !
    interface Serial0
    ip address 172.16.10.5 255.255.255.252
    no fair-queue
    !
    interface Serial1
    ip address 172.16.10.9 255.255.255.252
    !
    router ospf 1
    router-id 1.1.1.1
    log-adjacency-changes
    network 172.16.10.0 0.0.0.31 area 0
    network 192.168.102.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
    network 192.168.104.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
    network 192.168.106.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
    network 192.168.108.0 0.0.0.255 area 0
    !
    !
    no ip http server
    no ip http secure-server
    !
    !
    control-plane
    !
    !
    line con 0
    exec-timeout 0 0
    logging synchronous
    login local
    line aux 0
    line vty 0 4
    exec-timeout 0 0
    logging synchronous
    login local
    line vty 5 15
    exec-timeout 0 0
    logging synchronous
    login local
    !
    end

    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#show ip os
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf ne
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf neighbor

    Neighbor ID Pri State Dead Time Address Interface
    2.2.2.2 0 FULL/ - 00:00:39 172.16.10.10 Serial1
    3.3.3.3 0 FULL/ - 00:00:33 172.16.10.6 Serial0

    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf dat
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf database

    OSPF Router with ID (192.168.115.40) (Process ID 1)

    Router Link States (Area 0)

    Link ID ADV Router Age Seq# Checksum Link count
    2.2.2.2 2.2.2.2 136 0x8000001C 0x006C7B 5
    3.3.3.3 3.3.3.3 137 0x80000017 0x00E404 5
    4.4.4.4 4.4.4.4 333 0x80000005 0x008D4C 4
    5.5.5.5 5.5.5.5 331 0x80000007 0x002F90 4
    192.168.115.40 192.168.115.40 131 0x8000000A 0x00E4CA 4

    Net Link States (Area 0)

    Link ID ADV Router Age Seq# Checksum
    172.16.10.14 2.2.2.2 338 0x80000001 0x00DD6A
    172.16.10.17 5.5.5.5 332 0x80000001 0x009997
    172.16.10.22 5.5.5.5 337 0x80000001 0x00998E
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip os
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf ?
    <1-65535> Process ID number
    counters OSPF counters
    process Reset OSPF process
    redistribution Clear OSPF route redistribution
    traffic Traffic related statistics

    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf re
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf redistribution ?
    <cr>

    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf redistribution
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf process
    Reset ALL OSPF processes? [no]: yes
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf database

    OSPF Router with ID (192.168.115.40) (Process ID 1)

    Router Link States (Area 0)

    Link ID ADV Router Age Seq# Checksum Link count
    2.2.2.2 2.2.2.2 49 0x8000001E 0x00687D 5
    3.3.3.3 3.3.3.3 53 0x80000019 0x00E006 5
    4.4.4.4 4.4.4.4 447 0x80000005 0x008D4C 4
    5.5.5.5 5.5.5.5 445 0x80000007 0x002F90 4
    192.168.115.40 192.168.115.40 44 0x8000000C 0x00E0CC 4

    Net Link States (Area 0)

    Link ID ADV Router Age Seq# Checksum
    172.16.10.14 2.2.2.2 452 0x80000001 0x00DD6A
    172.16.10.17 5.5.5.5 446 0x80000001 0x009997
    172.16.10.22 5.5.5.5 451 0x80000001 0x00998E
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf neighbor

    Neighbor ID Pri State Dead Time Address Interface
    2.2.2.2 0 FULL/ - 00:00:34 172.16.10.10 Serial1
    3.3.3.3 0 FULL/ - 00:00:38 172.16.10.6 Serial0
    1721-Core-R1#show ip route
    Codes: C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP
    D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area
    N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2
    E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2
    i - IS-IS, su - IS-IS summary, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2
    ia - IS-IS inter area, * - candidate default, U - per-user static route
    o - ODR, P - periodic downloaded static route

    Gateway of last resort is not set

    O 192.168.106.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:59, Serial0
    1.0.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets
    C 1.1.1.1 is directly connected, Loopback0
    O 192.168.104.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:59, Serial1
    O 192.168.108.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:59, Serial0
    172.16.0.0/30 is subnetted, 6 subnets
    O 172.16.10.20 [110/66] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:59, Serial1
    [110/66] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:59, Serial0
    O 172.16.10.16 [110/65] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:59, Serial0
    C 172.16.10.4 is directly connected, Serial0
    O 172.16.10.0 [110/128] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:59, Serial1
    [110/128] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:59, Serial0
    O 172.16.10.12 [110/65] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:59, Serial1
    C 172.16.10.8 is directly connected, Serial1
    O 192.168.102.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.10, 00:01:11, Serial1
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#config t
    Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z.
    1721-Core-R1(config)#router os
    1721-Core-R1(config)#router ospf 1
    1721-Core-R1(config-router)#router
    1721-Core-R1(config-router)#router-id 1.1.1.1
    Reload or use "clear ip ospf process" command, for this to take effect
    1721-Core-R1(config-router)#exit
    1721-Core-R1(config)#exit
    1721-Core-R1#wr
    Building configuration...
    [OK]
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#clear is
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip os
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf pr
    1721-Core-R1#clear ip ospf process
    Reset ALL OSPF processes? [no]: yes
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#show ip os
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf ne
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf neighbor

    Neighbor ID Pri State Dead Time Address Interface
    2.2.2.2 0 FULL/ - 00:00:35 172.16.10.10 Serial1
    3.3.3.3 0 FULL/ - 00:00:39 172.16.10.6 Serial0
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf data
    1721-Core-R1#show ip ospf database

    OSPF Router with ID (1.1.1.1) (Process ID 1)

    Router Link States (Area 0)

    Link ID ADV Router Age Seq# Checksum Link count
    1.1.1.1 1.1.1.1 24 0x80000002 0x0007B2 4
    2.2.2.2 2.2.2.2 26 0x80000020 0x005B89 5
    3.3.3.3 3.3.3.3 28 0x8000001B 0x00D312 5
    4.4.4.4 4.4.4.4 615 0x80000005 0x008D4C 4
    5.5.5.5 5.5.5.5 617 0x80000007 0x002F90 4

    Net Link States (Area 0)

    Link ID ADV Router Age Seq# Checksum
    172.16.10.14 2.2.2.2 619 0x80000001 0x00DD6A
    172.16.10.17 5.5.5.5 617 0x80000001 0x009997
    172.16.10.22 5.5.5.5 621 0x80000001 0x00998E
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#show ip router
    1721-Core-R1#show ip route
    Codes: C - connected, S - static, R - RIP, M - mobile, B - BGP
    D - EIGRP, EX - EIGRP external, O - OSPF, IA - OSPF inter area
    N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2
    E1 - OSPF external type 1, E2 - OSPF external type 2
    i - IS-IS, su - IS-IS summary, L1 - IS-IS level-1, L2 - IS-IS level-2
    ia - IS-IS inter area, * - candidate default, U - per-user static route
    o - ODR, P - periodic downloaded static route

    Gateway of last resort is not set

    O 192.168.106.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:26, Serial0
    1.0.0.0/32 is subnetted, 1 subnets
    C 1.1.1.1 is directly connected, Loopback0
    O 192.168.104.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:26, Serial1
    O 192.168.108.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:26, Serial0
    172.16.0.0/30 is subnetted, 6 subnets
    O 172.16.10.20 [110/66] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:26, Serial1
    [110/66] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:26, Serial0
    O 172.16.10.16 [110/65] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:26, Serial0
    C 172.16.10.4 is directly connected, Serial0
    O 172.16.10.0 [110/128] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:26, Serial1
    [110/128] via 172.16.10.6, 00:00:26, Serial0
    O 172.16.10.12 [110/65] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:26, Serial1
    C 172.16.10.8 is directly connected, Serial1
    O 192.168.102.0/24 [110/66] via 172.16.10.10, 00:00:28, Serial1
    1721-Core-R1#
    1721-Core-R1#
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    First of all and about your exam, you´re on the right track. But do not pay too much attention to those split scores... I have had 930+ on every exam to CCNP (so wrong questions are easier to track) and none of those split scores made sense to me... For any Cisco cert, my advice is to understand it and then using the knowledge you got to make your own labs. When you know your trade, just do a lot of practice exams. One more advice: take it easy. I´m a perfectionist too, but that implies resting when needed and taking time off, so your skills are honed.

    About your lab, if it´s working as intended, it´s OK. A couple of comments regarding what should be expected:

    Think that redundancy exists to avoid single points of failure. R1 is a single point of failure. Also regarding redundancy, the reason that switches have 2 Gb ports is to have redundant links with the above layer i.e. access->distribution ; distribution->core

    I haven´t seen all config, but as per the above and your design, you need to have more layer 2 links connecting access to distribution. That will cause L2 loops and so STP will come on stage. Also, It´s common to have high availavility protocols at distribution to give resiliency to VLAN´s gateways, so you´ll need those layer 2 connections for them.

    Lastly, dynamic routing protocols are used to exchange information between routers, so it´s more interesting to have more routers. If I were you, I´d have specific advanced routing labs.

    Hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Gonzalo_ View Post
    First of all and about your exam, you´re on the right track. But do not pay too much attention to those split scores... I have had 930+ on every exam to CCNP (so wrong questions are easier to track) and none of those split scores made sense to me... For any Cisco cert, my advice is to understand it and then using the knowledge you got to make your own labs. When you know your trade, just do a lot of practice exams. One more advice: take it easy. I´m a perfectionist too, but that implies resting when needed and taking time off, so your skills are honed.

    About your lab, if it´s working as intended, it´s OK. A couple of comments regarding what should be expected:

    Think that redundancy exists to avoid single points of failure. R1 is a single point of failure. Also regarding redundancy, the reason that switches have 2 Gb ports is to have redundant links with the above layer i.e. access->distribution ; distribution->core

    I haven´t seen all config, but as per the above and your design, you need to have more layer 2 links connecting access to distribution. That will cause L2 loops and so STP will come on stage. Also, It´s common to have high availavility protocols at distribution to give resiliency to VLAN´s gateways, so you´ll need those layer 2 connections for them.

    Lastly, dynamic routing protocols are used to exchange information between routers, so it´s more interesting to have more routers. If I were you, I´d have specific advanced routing labs.

    Hope this helps!
    Koodos! ... I'll add redundant links this weekend. Reading Odom's book on the area's I'm weak on from the scores and I'm doing the Boson sim's. As for the 1721, it's indeed a SPOF, however this would comprise all of my switches/routers on my lab network. Someday my CCNA lab will grow larger.

    After CCNA is MCSE or VCAP5; haven't decided quite yet..
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    As for the 1721, it's indeed a SPOF, however this would comprise all of my switches/routers on my lab network.
    Hehehe

    I totally understand, you wanna go big! But if you are designing networks, size is not a factor. Resiliency is.

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    After CCNA is MCSE or VCAP5; haven't decided quite yet..
    That´s up to you, but CCNA is just halfway to being introduced to networking. If networking is what primarily interests you, then go for CCNP. I am interested in networks, so for me, Microsoft exams have no interest at all... though having them would broaden your working oportunities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Gonzalo_ View Post
    Hehehe

    I totally understand, you wanna go big! But if you are designing networks, size is not a factor. Resiliency is.



    That´s up to you, but CCNA is just halfway to being introduced to networking. If networking is what primarily interests you, then go for CCNP. I am interested in networks, so for me, Microsoft exams have no interest at all... though having them would broaden your working oportunities.
    Well to me VCP is on the same level as CCNA and MCSA are on the same playing field. VCAP5-DCA is something I want and MCSE, so I suppose CCNP would be equal to MCSE.

    Someday, I'll get there. I like being well rounded.
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    How on earth did you fail? That's insane, you put like 1500 hours of studying into it you said. That just doesn't make sense. You went way overboard studying for that thing, you sure you took the right exam?
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    How on earth did you fail? That's insane, you put like 1500 hours of studying into it you said. That just doesn't make sense. You went way overboard studying for that thing, you sure you took the right exam?
    I think like many said I over studied... But didn't use any practice exams or Boson. I seriously feel it was the wording on questions that got me...
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    So I've gracefully 're-read Odom's book and it weird sections I feel I understand in the books fine are the sections I bombed on the test.

    Going to read it again this weekend lightly and do mostly labbing but I surely hope I pass next time.
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    I can tell, just from lurking around this forum and reading some of your posts, that you are focusing too much on things that are outside the scope of the CCENT exam. Don't get me wrong, trying to learn anything and everything you can is great, but when it comes to passing an exam, try to only focus on the subjects and material that are going to be on that exam before moving on to the more advanced subjects.

    I have the same problem, so I know what it is like. I am currently studying to take the CCENT as well. However, I am so intrigued with every aspect of IT, that every day I find something new that I want to learn about. I am constantly finding myself straying from CCENT studies and reading about things that are way beyond the scope of the CCENT or not even anything to do with Cisco routing and switching at all.

    I think the best thing to do is periodically ask yourself, "Is this material going to be on the CCENT exam?" and if the answer is no, stop what you are doing and get back to the basics. For me, I know that the sooner I can pass the CCENT exam the sooner I can focus on CCNA topics, and the sooner I pass that, the sooner I can get into the really good stuff. That is my motivation to stay focused.
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    Hmm yeah what Steve said is a good possibility. While I haven't looked at what all you have done, I have glanced over it, and it would appear you went a bit overboard. A common theme I find on a cisco exams is this for example. You read the book and it gives you the step by step CLI way to configure a VPN for instance, so you think you have to memorize how to configure a VPN by CLI. but in actuality for the exam, all you have to do is maybe run a few show commands and answer questions about why an already configured VPN isn't working. You really need to focus on the core fundamentals of the material and not get to technical. Know subnetting, know how OSPF works, know how frames and packets are routed through the network.

    I passed my CCENT exam like 2 weeks ago and to prepare I read Lammels book once, skimmed it once an worked in packet tracer and I could be so bold as to say that packet tracer was way overboard preparation wise.
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    I passed my CCENT exam like 2 weeks ago... and I could be so bold as to say that packet tracer was way overboard preparation wise.
    Wait, Huh???
    OVERBOARD in a "Productive" way?
    or, in a "Waste-of-time probably-should-have-focused-on-other-things" kind of way?

    YEEESH.
    Maybe i need to go take/bomb the exam... just to See what's really on it o_O
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    I suppose. I think that what got me is the wording of the questions and time management.

    But the one thing I do that so many don't do is I don't like to just read a book and get by just enough to pass. I really want to really understand the content. Can you pass the exam in 2 weeks sure, but if someone 6 months later ask you to recall that information could you honestly say you can recall it all?

    This forum as a practice is against brain dumps and me personal I'm as-well. I'd much rather understand it than just get the piece of paper. If I have to fail the exam 6 or even 10 times so be it, at-least my integrity of knowing when I do pass I know it just means so much more to me.

    There is no textbook way to passing the Cisco exam or any exam, everyone learns differently. I know this all to well for personal reasons...

    On that note, I finished Odom's book an hour ago. Going to do nothing but practice tests/sims the next week on Boson and I've rescheduled my exam for the 20th at 3:30pm. I have a mandatory company wide shutdown on the week of the 20th so it's the perfect time.

    Plus a friend I meet at the VMUG in NJ back in March text'd me a testing center he found in northern NJ that does testing on Sat/Sun's so that opens up doors for me now.

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    I was in no way suggesting you cut corners or just do the bare minimum to pass the exam. I was simply saying that spending too much time on more advanced topics that will not even be on the CCENT, or even the CCNA for that matter, might be counter productive to you passing the exam. Laser focus on nothing but CCENT material until that exam is behind you and then laser focus on the next.

    It seems like a lot of people on this forum are mentioning the wording that Cisco uses in its exams. Can you think of an example of a question that had weird wording? I will be taking the CCENT shortly and am just curious.
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    I was in no way suggesting you cut corners or just do the bare minimum to pass the exam. I was simply saying that spending too much time on more advanced topics that will not even be on the CCENT, or even the CCNA for that matter, might be counter productive to you passing the exam. Laser focus on nothing but CCENT material until that exam is behind you and then laser focus on the next.

    It seems like a lot of people on this forum are mentioning the wording that Cisco uses in its exams. Can you think of an example of a question that had weird wording? I will be taking the CCENT shortly and am just curious.
    In that aspect I do agree my mind does wander often. But I do have a severe case of ADD/ADHD which kind of correlates to my Asperger syndrome. But meh who knows, everyone has issues I just chalk mine as a fact of life. But in retrospect, I have been laser focusing on nothing but Cisco when I'm at home and on weekends.

    During the week though my role in System Administrator, so I deal heavily with networks, Microsoft System administration and VMware. When I started these certification pursuit(s) I knew with my personal learning issues it wouldn't be easy, it's a constant struggle to focus. But my want to learn is so high that it really gets frustrating for me sometimes. I feel like I'm trapped in my own mind. Recently, as mentioned before I take brain supplements and they have been helping me tremendously. But if so many of you all can do them and your now all in your 40's I can do it too, just means I need to keep at it.

    See I was like most IT people starting off who thought they could hide in a dark server room and never talk to anyone. That fit my personality, it's just not so, so it's really hard for me. But it's what I love doing even if I do have a hard time interacting with people verbally.

    As for the questions on the exam, I really have to be super vague in my questions about questions for help on them cause it's really a fine line in the NDA. So even my wording could be confusing to some about these questions, does that make any sense?

    But I didn't mean any disrespect to your response, I sometimes don't always read statements correctly and to that affect posts I always read a few times before responding but I'm not fool proof. I honestly like constructive criticism cause I honestly don't know everything hence why I like learning from everyone on here.
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    Someone else mentioned that you were focusing too much on material above the CCENT. I agree. It sounds silly and backwards but I recommend making less complicated labs, and focusing directly on each objective of the test.
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    I can agree with a couple of people above. You are putting plenty of time in, but your scenarios tend to be a little large in scale. This isn't a bad thing, but the CCNA is about the fundamentals, and understanding the detail in certain things, even if only means connecting one link, is necessary. One thing I always do well before I take my exams for Cisco is review the exam objectives:

    https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/co...v2/exam-topics

    If there's something I don't understand in that listing, I find it, or I ask where I can find it. Usually though, you can find explanations for most everything on the internet. Just make sure it's from a reputable source and not some noob (To a topic) on the Cisco forums overconfidently chanting off things they're new to.

    Another thing: I know this is down the road, but run a packet capture on your links just to play. Read the packets a little to see how they're structured. Not really something you have to do, but it helps if you want to see the structure and level of detail in, let's say, an OSPF hello packet for example.

    Also, in regards to your network topo, you have a nice array of equipment for someone going for an entry level cert, so use it to your advantage. Like Gonzalo said, put some redundancy in there for the purpose of putting spanning tree to work (And for use when you configure FHRPs in ICND2). I recommend you look at a three level hierarchy best practice example.

    Any particular area you know you had issues with, in regards to subject?
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    But I didn't mean any disrespect to your response
    No worries, I was not offended at all. Just wanted to clarify
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