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    I have had the CCNA course on my plate for the last 3-4 years.

    What I have:

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    CCNA - Official Exam Certification Library
    Cisco Certified Network Associate - Study Guide - 6th edition - Todd Lammle

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    1 Catalyst 1900 series router


    I have read through the basic networking/OSI material. Currently I am working on subnetting with Todd Lammle's book. As per his audio cd material, I am studying converting binary to decimal with the cisco arcade flash game. Next will be exponents with base 2. With Todd's advice, I am supposed to be able to subnet in my head with 0 difficulty... so memorizing these simple items and hammering away at them repeatedly has become this week's homework. Next I will try to apply this to following and memorizing the 5 steps of subnetting. How long does it usually take any of you with CCNA certs to subnet in your head - prior to going into the exam?
    I want to be able to do it like step 1, 2, 3 ,4 ,5 with no DUH DUH DUH in between.

    If anyone can link me to an exponent flash game that would benefit me, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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    After playing that binary game for a good 5 hours spread over multiple days I sat down once again to study subnetting. Today was a major breakthrough. It's so easy... I can do it in my head. That is, for class c only until I pickup where I left off today. I'm feelin kind of buzzed from this breakthrough... like an AA member making a breakthrough in their 'problem'... it's been like 5 years since when I should have originally grasped the basic concepts... lol
    I do still have to practice adding up 8's, 16's, and 32's to become more time efficient when drawing up the list of blocks.
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    got a link to this subnet game?
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    I'm in the same boat as you....with the exception of having hands on hardware....you have motivated me to get the books back on the desk, i may just get the newest ones...if any. Subnetting C seems to be the easiest, I struggle with where to start the numbers on the right octet in class A. If I am thinking right, it should be where the "interesting" octet is in the subnet mask.....but when you get there, please let me know.
    @muon....this is not the link I remember, unless they changed the web page, but here is one...
    subnettingquestions.com - Free Subnetting Questions and Answers Randomly Generated Online
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    got a link to this subnet game?
    This link is for the binary game... just to help you along with binary basics. It does not help you with actual subnetting... but in the long run it will. don't think it stupid when you start losing your head and close it.... go until level 7+ and then some... until then you're just whining

    Let me google that for you
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    the game is much more livelier than that subnettingquestions.com lol
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    subnetting with class a, b is really just the same as c but with obviously more subnets and hosts.

    Know that you're still going up in increments of 128, 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, and 2 (2 was not valid with class c because you need at least 2 bits for hosts)

    Just know where you are

    0000.0000.0000.0000
    ^ ^ ^

    8 16 24

    Now when you get a question with say a /17 count up in 2^ until you hit 24 and you have your block size 128, and then 14 ^ 2 = # of hosts

    So 192.168.128.0

    Range 192.168.128.0 (hosts)1 - 254
    192.168.128-255.0-254

    (broadcast 192.168.255.255)
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    That is awesome - never seen that before. A subtle way of saying get of your arse and do your own research.

    Now all I need is the site that presses 'F1' in Microsoft Word to help idiot users.
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    Hexem, thanks for the class a/b tutorial... I will review later tonight... for now it's an ending spoiler.

    Woah! Now I know any of you who do not believe in torrents or work for CBT Nuggets will not be happy. But I just found CCNA and more on torrents. New added study material for me WOAH!

    Employers - when hiring an indiviual with the CCNA certificate, do you frown at the people who went the ICND1 & 2 route? From an employment standpoint, do people who took this route appear less of a tech than someone who just went for the CCNA straight up? I am going to assume that only a very arrogant employer would frown at you depending on the route you went.
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    This is actually another CCIE thread, right?

    You gotta start somewhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hexem View Post
    subnetting with class a, b is really just the same as c but with obviously more subnets and hosts.

    Know that you're still going up in increments of 128, 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, and 2 (2 was not valid with class c because you need at least 2 bits for hosts)

    Just know where you are

    0000.0000.0000.0000
    ^ ^ ^

    8 16 24

    Now when you get a question with say a /17 count up in 2^ until you hit 24 and you have your block size 128, and then 14 ^ 2 = # of hosts

    So 192.168.128.0

    Range 192.168.128.0 (hosts)1 - 254
    192.168.128-255.0-254

    (broadcast 192.168.255.255)

    I don't quite fully understand what you are trying to say. The problems my book ran me through were giving me network address and subnet mask. Then it told me to solve steps 1-5. I can do that no problem. It looks like you've given me the network address and I see the subnet mask 255.255.128.0. You can mix up a class C network address with a class B subnet mask? I'm only on page 132 of Lammle's book and so far it has stuck with using network/subnet that are the same class. Whatever, I did it on paper...here's what I came up with with a 255.255.128.0 subnet mask

    1) 2^1 = 2 subnets
    2) 2^15-2 = 32,766 hosts per subnet
    3) 256-128 = 128 Block size = 0, 128
    4/5)

    subnet 0.0 128.0
    start 0.1 128.1
    end 127.254 255.254
    broad. 127.255 255.255

    so for example if you really can cross B/C with eachother, a sample host IP
    = 192.168.0.1 from the first subnet and another is 192.168.128.2
    If I am wrong overall, please break every detail as to why I am wrong and how to correct.

    Keep in mind, I've worked an 8 hour day + studied for 2 hours + hit the gym for two hours... I shouldn't even be awake right now....

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    <begin quote>This is actually another CCIE thread, right?

    You gotta start somewhere!
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    Thank-you for being a passive aggressive smartass. Anything to keep your post count counting I am new to this forum, take it easy on me
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    These CBT Nugget videos. The professors try so damn hard to make dumb jokes. I'm becoming irritated by these instructors, regardless of what course I am looking at. How can someone fork over nearly $500 to want to punch out their computer... ooooooh I have to learn to just accept these people before diving into these videos again... this is so painful right now :@
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    your calculations are correct.

    Forget about class a, b, c.

    Once you start subnetting you're going outside of the 'default' subnet mask and it can be applied to any class address range.

    10.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 is valid
    10.1.2.1 255.255.0.0 is valid

    192.168.32.1 255.255.224.0 is valid

    you get my point..just know the intresting octet you're in and go from there, it can be in any class range.
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    A year and a bit ago, I purchased a Cisco lab kit that was good to practice for CCNA & CCNP from Net Cert Labs (http://netcertlabs.com/index-5.html). Unfortunately I never made time to study when I could have. Damn Warcraft III! Anyway, I stored the cds that I had received in a binder provided by them in a cool dark dry place, having not touched them since the day I received the kit... today I opened it up to discover a small bubble on one of the CDs . I have sent them an E-mail and hopefully they will provide me some sort of replacement or ISO. Let's see how it goes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuppored View Post
    A year and a bit ago, I purchased a Cisco lab kit that was good to practice for CCNA & CCNP from Net Cert Labs (http://netcertlabs.com/index-5.html). Unfortunately I never made time to study when I could have. Damn Warcraft III! Anyway, I stored the cds that I had received in a binder provided by them in a cool dark dry place, having not touched them since the day I received the kit... today I opened it up to discover a small bubble on one of the CDs . I have sent them an E-mail and hopefully they will provide me some sort of replacement or ISO. Let's see how it goes
    It's been maybe two hours and they already got back to me! Excellent support if you ask me. I was informed that 'All kit buyers always get new software! ' And this is after over atleast 1 year of already owning the kit.
    No I do not work for them... this honestly happened!
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    Good luck on your studies man, and I VERY HIGHLY doubt that a potential employer will care rather you went the ICND1/2 route or the full exam at once. All that matters to them (if they care about the certificate to begin with) is rather or not you obtained the CCNA or not and that you know the material.
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    Thanks for the positive words. Can someone please tell me if Wireless is in the CCNA exam? I am watching 2 videos from the ICND 1 cd on it... didn't think CCNA would cover it.
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    is wireless covered by just multiple choice, or are there lab type questions about it?
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    is wireless covered by just multiple choice, or are there lab type questions about it?
    We really can not tell you this as this goes against NDA. I can say though that it is on the test and know it. It was on ICND1 test. I am not sure about the second. I know it is on CCNA one route test too.
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    Can someone please tell me if Wireless is in the CCNA exam?
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    Explain and select the appropriate administrative tasks required for a WLAN
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    Identify the basic parameters to configure on a wireless network to ensure that devices connect to the correct access point
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    that's hilarious. I had a copy of that in the back of my bag I haven't looked at in the last 3 weeks. Thanks for helping me out though regardless. I'll be reviewing this paper tonight
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    I read through the exam outline. I have found that a few of the commands in the CBT Nugget videos do not work on my home lab For now, I am going through the software sims and am wondering which one is recommended over the other. I have Boson's NetSim & Cisco's Packet Tracer. Which one should I spend more time and effort on that is more likely to assist me... I know this is lining me up for personal opinions, but if it is, please mention the pro's and con's and if you have tried both.
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    What commands you missing?

    You'll find quite abit is missing in packet tracer, altho it's enough to pass the exam's for sure, packet tracer has the benifit of being able to look at the flow of frames/packet's when going accross the network, this allow's you to look at each individual step of encapsulation/dencapsulation at each step of the 7 OSI layer model, this really helped me pick thing's up quickly and also helped me figure out problems that i just couldn't get my head around at first, such as why a PC might not be picking up a DHCP lease...but try not to rely on it too much.

    Boston netsim..not a clue!

    The more advanced stuff you can use GNS3 for if you can get hold of legal (IOS) files, iv'e been using GNS3 for a while on window's 7, it does my head in...often crashes and can be a big problem if you work on something for a while and forget to save...as i often do! So if you have a decent machine with dual processor / 4gb ram you can do some pretty decent scenarios with it.
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    I receive that from the 2600 series. Enabling SSH does not appear to exist.

    The show interface brief does not exist on my switches <obviously not the exact command... I don't have very many commands memorized yet>

    Maybe the IOS images are outdated, I'll review that when I have more practice with commands before attempting upgrading IOS.

    I'm going through the Packet Tracer tutorials so atleast I'll understand everything in it before I try to use it... probably take me til midnight.

    GNS3 sounds interesting. I assume adapting to more simulators, the better off I will be. I have a 2.4GHz Quad Core with 4GB DDRIII in /3G mode on XP32-bit. I assume I am in good shape to give it a shot.

    I think I'm only near 1/6 of the way there with what I need to know for the exam. That exam breakdown looks vicious.
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