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    It shouldn't be a problem, I have two 6 plug strips, both fully populated and plugged into the same circuit.

    First, you'll want a second WIC-2T (or a pair of WIC-1T's). The NM-4AS in one router, and a WIC-2T in each of the others. Each router should have serial ports. For cables, if you're using the WIC-2T's, you'll want a couple of these and one of these. Shop around though, you'll find better deals elsewhere. Monoprice has some cheap, but they don't carry everything.

    If you go with the WIC-1T's, the cabling can be simpler, you can use these for everything. The WIC-2T unfortunately has different plugs than the NM-4AS, so you have to have a few different cables on hand.
    Thank you, sir! I'll go ahead and use a pair of WIC-1T to keep it simple.

    Also, as far as using a manual/guide connecting these devices, is that what we call CCNA lab manual?!
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    So, after careful consideration, it seems like the devices I listed above will cost me around $716 from CandK [including the 2509 access server that retails for $159].

    BTW, the above price doesnt even include cables and accessories.

    Then, I found this:

    Advanced Cisco CCNA/Starter CCNP Lab Kit

    Advanced CCNA/Starter CCNP Kit: $549
    Cisco 2509 access server: $159
    Octal cable: $25

    All for $733 [this is what I call RTR if you are into RC cars, and HTIB for audioheads] lol

    [I didnt want to start yet another thread for the same inquiry]

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    Quote Originally Posted by 518 View Post
    So, after careful consideration, it seems like the devices I listed above will cost me around $716 from CandK [including the 2509 access server that retails for $159].

    BTW, the above price doesnt even include cables and accessories.

    Then, I found this:

    Advanced Cisco CCNA/Starter CCNP Lab Kit

    Advanced CCNA/Starter CCNP Kit: $549
    Cisco 2509 access server: $159
    Octal cable: $25

    All for $733 [this is what I call RTR if you are into RC cars, and HTIB for audioheads] lol

    [I didnt want to start yet another thread for the same inquiry]

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    We generally recommend you stay away from those prebuilt starter kits. They're over-priced and under-powered. I can find you an identical kit pieced together from ebay for about $250. Besides the cost savings, researching the different models, IOS versions, RAM and flash requirements, etc. is a big part of the learning process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan2308 View Post
    We generally recommend you stay away from those prebuilt starter kits. They're over-priced and under-powered. I can find you an identical kit pieced together from ebay for about $250. Besides the cost savings, researching the different models, IOS versions, RAM and flash requirements, etc. is a big part of the learning process.
    whoa! is that so? then I'm back to the drawing board...

    thanks!
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    back for more with the following items in mind:

    2950 switch, $63 (3) [eBay]
    2620xm router $89 [eBay]
    NM-4A/S $33 [eBay]
    2610 router w/ WIC-1T (2) $140 for both [eBay]
    2509 AS w/ octal cable $189 [cablesandkits]

    Came out as $640 with 90-day warranty and free shipping. I just realized that certificationkits charge $110 for shipping and only 30-day warranty.

    I would have been within my $500 budget, but the access server killed it
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    Quote Originally Posted by 518 View Post
    back for more with the following items in mind:

    2950 switch, $63 (3) [eBay]
    2620xm router $89 [eBay]
    NM-4A/S $33 [eBay]
    2610 router w/ WIC-1T (2) $140 for both [eBay]
    2509 AS w/ octal cable $189 [cablesandkits]

    Came out as $640 with 90-day warranty and free shipping. I just realized that certificationkits charge $110 for shipping and only 30-day warranty.

    I would have been within my $500 budget, but the access server killed it

    Don't forget serial cables! Honestly, I would go without the AS for now and get a rack. For your CCENT you won't really be doing any labbing with multiple toplogies. Once you get to ICND2 then maybe I would go for it. Plus you'll probably have some extra cash by then.

    That's a pretty good lab in my opinion, although I would probably try to get another XM router and just 1 2610. One of my favorite sellers on ebay is "tnetusa". Free shipping on everything and you can make offers. Check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 518 View Post
    back for more with the following items in mind:

    2950 switch, $63 (3) [eBay]
    2620xm router $89 [eBay]
    NM-4A/S $33 [eBay]
    2610 router w/ WIC-1T (2) $140 for both [eBay]
    2509 AS w/ octal cable $189 [cablesandkits]

    Came out as $640 with 90-day warranty and free shipping. I just realized that certificationkits charge $110 for shipping and only 30-day warranty.

    I would have been within my $500 budget, but the access server killed it
    You'll need one of those 2610's to host that NM-4A/S, but you can consider a pair of 1760's or 1721's rather than the 2620XM and the second 2610. You'll save a few bucks if you go that direction, and overall have a better setup.

    And keep shopping. If you're patient, you'll be able to find better prices on eBay.
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    okplaya, thanks for headsup on that eBay seller. I'll keep an eye on the items it sell. I'm actually looking at the eBay seller fati_zee.

    I'm trying to setup a lab that I can use for up to CCNP, just in case. If I dont ever persue CCNP, the cost of this lab and knowledge gained from it is still worth than my modded Tippmann X7 Phenom marker. [I just now realized that the money I spent for my X7 and my gear is a complete waste vs my cisco home lab]

    1760 Router (2) $96
    2620xm router $89
    2950 switch (3)$189
    2509 AS and cable $189
    NM-4A/S card $33
    WIC-1T card (2) $40
    TOTAL: $636

    For $4 less [1760 in liue of 2950s], is this really a better setup than above? For some reason, I'm under the impression that the higher the model #, the better it might be. Yes, I'm a complete no0b.

    I must have the 2509 so I can access my lab outside my home.

    I'm assuming I can still use one type of cable for this setup? [DCE/DTE DB60 Crossover Cable - 3FT as suggested by Alan]

    I also stopped playing Call of Duty: Black Ops since Monday. My laptop is connected to the LCD that I use for gaming. In it, I started watching Chris Bryant's CCNA boot-camp and it's hooked up to my X-Rocker chair.

    Wendell Odom and Todd Lammle books have arrived today, too.

    This CCNA is long overdue for my career.

    ICND1 scheduled for June 21st.

    Much appreciation to all of you.
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    If you go with the WIC-1T's, the cabling can be simpler, you can use these for everything.
    when you said I can use that cable for everything, does that include the physical connection during frame relay lab? because for some reason, I cannot make this frame-relay lab to work. I followed both Chris Bryant's video and the freeccnaworkbook.com, but no luck. During PPP lab, R1 and R2 can communicate. Once I changed both to encap frame-relay, line protocol went down.

    Here's the freeccnaworkbook steps/results that I followed:

    R1
    interface Serial0/0
    ip address 10.10.21.1 255.255.255.252
    encapsulation frame-relay
    clock rate 56000
    no dce-terminal-timing-enable
    frame-relay interface-dlci 122

    R2
    interface Serial0/0
    ip address 10.10.21.2 255.255.255.252
    encapsulation frame-relay
    no fair-queue
    frame-relay interface-dlci 221

    sh frame-relay pvc 122 and sh frame-relay 221 yields a blank result

    R1 s0/0 is connected physically to R2 s0/0 using CISCO HD60 DTE/DCE Cables

    Am I suppose to use a different cable and make another physical connection somewhere??

    Chris Bryant's hub and spoke, just exactly how many physical connections are there? I was watching his CCNA boot-camp on-demand video, but he never mentioned any physical connections.

    Thanks.
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    R1

    sh int s0/0

    Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is down
    Hardware is CD2430 in sync mode
    Internet address is 10.10.21.1/30
    MTU 1500 bytes, BW 128 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec,
    reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
    Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set
    Keepalive set (10 sec)
    LMI enq sent 190, LMI stat recvd 0, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI down
    LMI enq recvd 214, LMI stat sent 0, LMI upd sent 0
    LMI DLCI 1023 LMI type is CISCO frame relay DTE
    FR SVC disabled, LAPF state down
    Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0
    Last input 00:00:01, output 00:00:09, output hang never
    Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:33:06
    Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0
    Queueing strategy: weighted fair
    Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
    Conversations 0/1/32 (active/max active/max total)
    Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
    Available Bandwidth 96 kilobits/sec
    5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
    5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
    250 packets input, 4560 bytes, 0 no buffer


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    sh int s0/0
    Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is down
    Hardware is PowerQUICC Serial
    Internet address is 10.10.21.2/30
    MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1544 Kbit, DLY 20000 usec,
    reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
    Encapsulation FRAME-RELAY, loopback not set
    Keepalive set (10 sec)
    LMI enq sent 168, LMI stat recvd 0, LMI upd recvd 0, DTE LMI down
    LMI enq recvd 225, LMI stat sent 0, LMI upd sent 0
    LMI DLCI 1023 LMI type is CISCO frame relay DTE
    FR SVC disabled, LAPF state down
    Broadcast queue 0/64, broadcasts sent/dropped 0/0, interface broadcasts 0
    Last input 00:00:06, output 00:00:08, output hang never
    Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:28:08
    Input queue: 0/75/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 0
    Queueing strategy: fifo
    Output queue: 0/40 (size/max)
    5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
    5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
    225 packets input, 2953 bytes, 0 no buffer
    Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
    10 input errors, 0 CRC, 10 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
    225 packets output, 2953 bytes, 0 underruns
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    thanks, alan. I read, and re-read the article you posted above.

    performed this on R1 and R2:
    wr erase
    reload

    and now...on both routers:
    "s0/0 is up, line protocol is up"

    but I still cant ping each other.

    R1#sh frame map
    Serial0/0.100 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 100(0x64,0x1840), broadcast

    R2#sh run
    interface Serial0/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    no keepalive
    no dce-terminal-timing-enable
    no fair-queue
    !
    interface Serial0/0.100 point-to-point
    ip address 100.100.100.1 255.255.255.0
    frame-relay interface-dlci 100

    __________________________________________________ __

    R2#sh frame map
    Serial0/0.100 (up): point-to-point dlci, dlci 100(0x64,0x1840), broadcast

    R2#sh run
    interface Serial0/0
    no ip address
    encapsulation frame-relay
    no keepalive
    !
    interface Serial0/0.100 point-to-point
    ip address 100.100.100.2 255.255.255.0
    snmp trap link-status
    frame-relay interface-dlci 100

    DCE end of the cable is attached to R1.

    so far, I've put this much work for @#$$%! FRS lab: 8 hours on Sunday, 2 hours on Monday, 5 hours today and still counting...
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    Default Progress, at last!!!

    And this time, I followed TechExams CCNA Worklab.

    As I've said earlier, I was 'trying' to follow Chris Bryant's and FREEccnaworkbook FRS lab. My mistake was, I only had 3 routers whereas the workbooks I was trying to follow had a total of 4! So, I kept doing the same mistake by entering the wrong command on the wrong interface!!! I dont know how much more to explain it, but I was able to make it work by cutting the 3rd router out of the picture...literally (used MS Paint and chopped off the 3rd router!)

    had to write this down to get it into my head:
    FRS#int s0/0
    (config-if)# frame-relay route 201 int s0/1 200
    (take my local route 201 going to remote interface s0/1. Once you get there, use their local route 200)

    FRS#int s0/1
    (config-if)# frame-relay route 200 int s0/0 201
    (take my local route 200 going to remote interface s0/0. Once you get there, use their local route 201)

    I like this message: "Can not switch on same interface"


    FRS#sh frame route
    Input Intf Input Dlci Output Intf Output Dlci Status
    Serial0/0 201 Serial0/1 200 active
    Serial0/1 200 Serial0/0 201 active

    on FRS:
    Serial0/0 is up, line protocol is up
    Serial0/1 is up, line protocol is up

    R2#ping 10.10.12.3
    Type escape sequence to abort.
    Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 10.10.12.3, timeout is 2 seconds:
    !!!!!
    Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 56/57/60 ms


    finished just in time to watch Bulls and Pacers!

    Thanks all!!!
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    Default Just a little Help

    Here is what I have so far, I have a IBM x235 tower server, a 2610-wic-t1, 2611-wic1-dsu, and 2900. I am not sure of what memory any of it has. I am just getting started and this is what has been either given to me or I bought. I am currently wanting to setup a home lab for the ccent and later the ccna. I need to know what i may need for the server and if the cisco equipment I have is enough to get me by or if I need to add to it for just the CCENT, I will have to aquire things slowly and this is the reason for getting one certification at a time and to space it out so I can afford to buy lab equipment as needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elthomas View Post
    Here is what I have so far, I have a IBM x235 tower server, a 2610-wic-t1, 2611-wic1-dsu, and 2900. I am not sure of what memory any of it has. I am just getting started and this is what has been either given to me or I bought. I am currently wanting to setup a home lab for the ccent and later the ccna. I need to know what i may need for the server and if the cisco equipment I have is enough to get me by or if I need to add to it for just the CCENT, I will have to aquire things slowly and this is the reason for getting one certification at a time and to space it out so I can afford to buy lab equipment as needed.

    There's a couple of ways you can go. If you prefer to work with real gear, add a 1760 or 1721, a pair of additional WIC-1DSU-T1 modules and a pair of 2950 switches. You can also load GNS3 on that server and just add a pair of 2950 switches.
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    Do I need to add any NIC's to the server?
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    If you intend to integrate the simulated equipment with the real equipment then yes, you'll need a couple Ethernet ports in the server. If you don't intend to integrate the two worlds, then it doesn't matter.

    What you have now is more than enough to get you through the CCENT, so there's really no rush to run out and buy anything right away. You've got time to formulate a game plan right now.
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    Hey everyone,

    Rather than starting a new thread, I figure I'd post in here since there is already a wealth of information. I am starting on my CCENT/CCNA and am fortunate to work at a NOC with plenty of spare routers. However they are a mash of various WICs and IOS with different memory so I'll try my best to lay down my current plan on getting a decent lab going for my CCNA studies.
    • 2610 with IOS 12.1(1)
      • (2) WIC-1DSU-T1
      • Ethernet
    • 2610 with IOS 12.1(1)
      • (1) ISDN BRI - WIC-1B-U
      • (1) WIC-1T
      • Ethernet
    • 2650 with IOS 12.2(1c)
      • Fast Ethernet
      • NW-1E2W ( WIC-1T, Ethernet, AUI )
      • 2 Free WIC Slots
    • 3620 with IOS 12.1(3A)
      • Fast Ethernet
      • Token Ring
      • 2 Free WIC slots
    • 2610 IOS 12.0(10)
      • (2) WIC-1DSU-T1
      • Ethernet
    What would be the most cost efficient way to organize these routers for a proper CCNA lab? Would the IOS be sufficient for the CCNA even though it is a tiny bit outdated?

    Seems to me it would be great if I could just put 2 WIC-1T on everything with the 2650 getting hooked up with a NM-4A/S to be the frame relay switch and the appropriate cables. I don't mind sinking money for the cables and WICs, since they are letting me use them for my studies, but I would just like it to be cost effective for me since I will be purchasing some switches down the line. Looking at 3 Cisco 2950 WS-C2950-12 for STP and the remaining CCNA goodness. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Intervlan routing will be taken care of by the fast ethernet port on the 2650 correct? Thanks again!
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    This is a really good resource: CCNA Certification: CCNA, Cisco certification, Cisco routers, Cisco switches, Ci

    For my lab i will be building the following - I'm not fussed about cost because i know that i can easily sell the gear on for about the same price, due to demand

    Router:
    2 x 2610xm
    1 x 2611xm

    Switch:
    3 x 2950T

    Modules:
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    3 x WIC-1t

    Other:

    Back to Back DTE/DCE cables.
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    Please comment and review my lab
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    Default This right here did the trick for me

    had to write this down to get it into my head:
    FRS#int s0/0
    (config-if)# frame-relay route 201 int s0/1 200
    (take my local route 201 going to remote interface s0/1. Once you get there, use their local route 200)

    FRS#int s0/1
    (config-if)# frame-relay route 200 int s0/0 201
    (take my local route 200 going to remote interface s0/0. Once you get there, use their local route 201)

    local route(DLCI) - remote interface(threw which interface am I going to use to get there) - their local route(DLCI again)
    Thanks
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    Welcome to TechExams xzatech. Good on you for trying to be helpful, but hopefully he figured it out by now (it's been a year!)
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    Hi, I'm due to start studying my CCNA with the Cisco Academy in October so I thought I'd start early to
    try and get a head start. So far I've done a bit of reading and viewed a couple of lessons, anyway I've
    decided to start building a lab and so far I have bought...

    2 x 2950 SWITCHES
    1 x 1760 ROUTER 64MB/32MB

    So what do you guys suggest would be most useful for me next?
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    One more router, one more switch, and you're set.
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    You can score a 1760 on eBay and max out the memory - it's just like upgrading the RAM on a PC - for under $30. I got 3 this way. Total cost $105 including:

    2 x 1760
    1 x 1760-VPN/K9 (listed as just a 1760, but had a VPN module and 96 MB DRAM which would make it the VPN/K9 Bundle)
    4 x WIC-1DSU-T1 (I bought an extra so that one of the routers can act as a DCE to the other 2)
    3 x MEM1700-128D (To kick them up to 192 MB)
    3 x WIC/VIC Blanks (To cover some empty slots)

    I spent $90 a while back on 3 x 2950 switches. I downloaded and installed the newest IOS they would take from Cisco (Cisco let's you download Switch IOS, but not Router IOS without SmartNet).
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    The console port is for configuring the device, no network traffic is going through it.
    I went all T1 as I can make my own crossover cables [using Cat. 5e] cheap.
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