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    You can also go for the cheaper 3550 though you have to make sure it has Inline Power
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    1st Buy CCNA VOICE LAB MANUAL,
    This is very detailed.

    For your CME
    I would get 1(2800) line router with voice ios.
    another network router(I used 2600)
    1 3550 poe switch
    min. 2 phones
    fxo/fxs ports

    Now for your CUCM (different story)
    VMware server can use pc. I would go with a quad core of total across all CPU's of 10GHZ(or at least 2.5 per core) and at least 8gb ram.

    This is where I'm at. Should I buy a Dell poweredge 1950 server and install Vmware on this or buy a better desktop computer.

    Basic ebay prices.

    2801 router under $300
    2621 router $100
    3550 switch $100
    2 7940G phones $60

    Vmware with all cucm files $299
    computer to run as server if needed ($500)

    Abort total of 1100 bucks.

    I was giving an 2691 router but can't run CCP so I'm buying an 2811 to finish up my CME.

    Then for CCNP(voice) use what you can and add the rest for that lab!
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    JustFred & ToddB thank you very much for your replies. As far as I know 3550 has no Private VLAN feature and limited QoS compared to 3560 which is vital for VOICE. Right?
    Best, sacredboy!
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    I have Train Signal CCNA Voice course taught by Joe Rinehart and he uses a 3550 in his lab. Now if you get a deal I think you can also use a 3524.
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    ToddB - how do you find the Trainsignal Voice videos?

    How do they compare to the INE or the CBT Nuggets if you've had a chance to watch either?
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    Their not as good for voice, I used Train Signal for my CCNA with Chris Bryant and it was great. Their Voice is only 10 Hours its ok but not really detailed, But I using the DVD's along with the Ciscopress books. My only problem with the course is I thought the instructor was going to build the lab from scrach during the videos but they had everything pee-setup. But like I said its ok if you use other resources along with it, Never used CBT and I have the free INE course also.
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    Quick question for the Voice guru's here. Do you need a PVDM for the 2801's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC_Addy View Post
    Quick question for the Voice guru's here. Do you need a PVDM for the 2801's?
    If you want the 2801 to provide DSP resources, then yes, you will need a PVDM2 module.
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    I appreciate the quick response. Do you recommend me getting a PVDM for my 2801 for lab purposes?
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    Pretty sure if you want the router to process calls it will need a PVDM
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    If you want to follow the CCNA Voice lab manual, this will get you by:

    For routers, each line is a complete solution:
    2 2811 routers (network module of AIM card for voice mail)
    1 2811 router and one 2801 fouter (network or AIM for one, AIM only for the other)
    2 2801 routers (you must use an AIM card for Unity Express)

    There are multiple options for switches. Each line is a complete solution:
    2 c3560 switches
    2 c3550 switches (make sure they say inline power on the upper right on the front!!!!!)
    2 2960 switches
    Or get any combination of these equaling 2 switches.

    Get at least one AIM or one network module with Unity Express on it. The network module getting at least 1 of those 2811's is the easiest installation. I don't believe you'll need 2 unity express cards.

    You'll need 1 FXO cards with at least 2 ports. You'll also need 1 FXS card with at least 2 ports. One of these cards will go in one of your 2801 or 2811 router, and the other one will go in the other 2801 or 2811 router.

    I also recommend 2 PRI interface cards that has 2 ports on each card. One will go into one router and the other will go in the other router. You'll need to make a cable specially made to connect the 2 PRI cards. Do a google search on how to make the cables.

    Also make sure the routers have the voice image installed. One of the routers needs to have a PVDM chip installed inside for PSTN phones to work.

    There are cheaper ways to do this. You'll still need the same PRI, FXO, FXS, and network module, but you can get cheaper routers. 2 2620xm has the network module slot for unity express. However, the 2620xm does not have the VWIC slots, so you'll need 2 1760 routers to put your PRI, FXS, and FXO into. However, the 1760's as your only routers because they can't be used because it can't support voice mail.

    Anyway, the way I showed you will allow you to complete every lab in the CCNA Voice manual for CUCME and Unity Express. Now for CUCM, you'll just need to get VM-Ware like VM-Ware workstation. Figure that Windows 7 takes about 2 GB of RAM. You'll need 8-10 GB of RAM dedicated to CUCM, Precense, and Unity. You can split up the 3 products (CUCM Presence, and Unity) on different computers or have them all on one computer. If they are all on one computer you probably need a machine running 16 GB of RAM. 16 GB of RAM plus a processor that is triple core or better should handle all this just fine. I should also say there is a big difference in resource requirements from version 7 to version 8. If you go with version 7, you probably only need 8 GB of RAM on one PC. Version 7 takes up 2 GB per for all 3 (CUCM, Presence, and Unity) while version 8 takes up 3 GB per each one.
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    I currently have a 2621XM and 2651XM running 12.4T (as well as other switches and routers). They've got a VWIC-1MFT-E1, WIC1B-S/T and a BRI4B-S/T. I've also got a few PCs running ESXi for virtual machines which I plan to cluster. Am I right in thinking that I can get:
    • 1 x NM-2V
    • 1 x VIC-2FXS
    • 1 x VIC-2FXO
    • 2 X 7940G + PoE bricks
    And have enough for CCNA: Voice?

    Also is an AIM-CUE definitely needed? It easily costs more than all the above combined in the UK. I'm planning early with the view to study in around 6 months time so i can snap them up for a reasonable amount on eBay.
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    Hi TehTog,

    You will need AIM-VOICE-30's (US$125 when I bought mine) for DSP support on the 2600XM's for the VWIC-E1's, otherwise they will be data only. The rest of the kit should be fine.

    As for the AIM-CUE, don't forget looking at the US eBay market, even with shipping they could be cheaper than local. Last time I looked they could be had for ~US$150 + $35 shipping world-wide. But on a cost v benefit v amount of use you'll put it to (unless you plan on going past the CCNA:V level), I'd probably say no. Either study any screen shots you can find, or invest in some rack-hire time. Same goes for the AIM-VOICE-30's, you'd be better spending the $ on a 2800 series and PVDM2's.
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    The AIM-CUE cards from the US cost $230 when shipped. I have a saved search incase one comes up local. The VWIC-E1 was something I got with one of my 2600s but I don't really need it for the cert, Do i? The AIM-VOICE-30 is about $100 usd here. I haven't really looked at the certification until a few hours ago so please excuse my ignorance. I've set up voip phones before but it wasn't using a cisco call manage, Thats about as far as my knowledge goes.

    I don't really intend to go on past the CCNA:Voice level unless a job requires it. The CCNA level is just perfect for me at the moment as something to give me a competitive edge when job hunting.
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    Yeah, the AIM-CUE and VWIC-E1's I'd categorise as nice to have, but not essential. As you don't plan to go past the CCNA:V, I'd save the $ to spend elsewhere.
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    Thats perfect thank you for the quick replies. hopefully in a few months time i'll be able to contribute to this subforum.
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    Can 3725 be utilized as CME router?

    So, the AIM-CUE-1GB is not required, but under what condition is it a "must have", voice mail and what else?
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    Long answer: Although CUCME v8.x is recommended, I'd say you could easily get by with v4.x, so any of the older routers can fit the bill (1700, 2600xm, 3700 series). That said I'd still look at getting a 2800 series router (avoid the 2801's due to fan noise) if you can afford it, their prices should be low enough now, and you'll get a bit more life out of them down the track.
    Short answer: 3725's work great for CME, got me through the original CCNA-V exam.

    As for the AIM-CUE (or any CUE really), it comes down to a cost/benefit/return trade off. They don't usually come cheap, they can only get to CUE v7.0 before running into licensing issues, and you don't get as much use out of them as a router, especially at the CCNA-Voice level (or even CCNP-Voice level). Best to spend your funds elsewhere.
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    This is what I currently have:

    QTY Model DRAM Flash IOS
    1 3745 256 2048 12.4(7) Enteprise Services
    1 2821 1024 256 15.1(3)T2 Advanced IP Services
    1 2811 256 15.1(3)T2 Advanced IP Services
    1 2801 384 128 12.4(15)T13b IP Base
    1 2650 64 16 12.2(2)XB5 (What??? Not on CFN!)
    6 1760 192 32 12.4(15)T14 Advanced IP Services
    3 1760 96 32 12.2(15)T5 IP
    4* 1751 96 16 12.2(11)T IP/VOX Plus
    2* 1750 48 8 12.1(3)T IP/Voice Plus
    1* 3560-48PS-S
    12.2(55)SE8 IP Base
    15.0(2)SE4 IP Base
    1 3550-24PWR 12.2(44)SE6 IP Services
    2 3550-48-SMI 12.2(44)SE6 IP Services
    2 2960-24TT-L 15.0(2)SE1 LAN Base
    3 2950-24 12.1(22)EA14
    1 7960G IP Phones 2 Analog Phones w. Caller ID
    6 PVDM-256K-4 1 PVDM2-32
    6 VIC-2FXS 2 VIC-2FXO
    3 VWIC-1MFT-T1 1 VWIC-2MFT-T1
    9 WIC-1DSU-T1 8 WIC-1DSU-T1 V2
    1 NM-HD-2V 1 NM-4T1-IMA
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    The only thing more I should need is a few more IP Phones?

    I'm probably going to sell some of the 1700 Series [since I have more than I really need], the 2950s, and possibly 2 of the 3550s (If I can get a 3750). I was planning [once I have some spare cash] to get some more 2811s and a 3750 to go with the 3560.

    My future plans [cert-wise] are:

    R&S -- CCNA (Achieved), CCNP (Working on), possibly CCIE
    Voice -- CCNA, maybe CCNP [if I like it and it doesn't get retired before I get to it]
    Security -- CCNA, maybe CCNP [if I like it]
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    So how expensive is a basic lab in order to know the material for and pass CCNA:V? It looks like I'm going to have to consider a different cert. This one looks expensive. I don't even have a spare $150, which is why I liked GNS3. I'd hate to see how much a CCNP:V lab cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat5 View Post
    So how expensive is a basic lab in order to know the material for and pass CCNA:V? It looks like I'm going to have to consider a different cert. This one looks expensive. I don't even have a spare $150, which is why I liked GNS3. I'd hate to see how much a CCNP:V lab cost.
    The most expensive items seem to be Unity Express modules (AIM-CUE, AIM2-CUE, NM-CUE, NME-CUE, ISM-SRE) and a Server to run CUCM/CUC/CUPS. There is an all-in-one device (UC520, UC540, or UC320W) that should include everything you need to setup a CUCME site (CUCME, CUE, FXO or ISDN, FXS, Built-in Switch with PoE, etc...) It's not cheap ($500 on eBay), but cheaper than buying all the parts separately. You will still need a full CUCM/CUC/CUPS site, though.

    I remember seeing a site a while back that was selling servers with CUCM, CUE, and CUPS installed.

    CUCM / Unity Lab-Demo Server
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    Quote Originally Posted by theodoxa View Post
    The most expensive items seem to be Unity Express modules (AIM-CUE, AIM2-CUE, NM-CUE, NME-CUE, ISM-SRE) and a Server to run CUCM/CUC/CUPS. There is an all-in-one device (UC520, UC540, or UC320W) that should include everything you need to setup a CUCME site (CUCME, CUE, FXO or ISDN, FXS, Built-in Switch with PoE, etc...) It's not cheap ($500 on eBay), but cheaper than buying all the parts separately. You will still need a full CUCM/CUC/CUPS site, though.
    Looks like you're describing a CCNP:Voice cert - not the CCNA one.
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    Looks like you're describing a CCNP:Voice cert - not the CCNA one.
    The video training I watched for CCNA: Voice included all of those topics, but it was very shallow coverage. I have only been able to play with CUCME 8.5 so far due to the cost.
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    Unfortunately for the Voice track they are almost the same (just expansions on a theme), as you need some sort of lab setup with most of the trimmings to be able to perform ICOMM administration on.

    Here's my 2 cents worth of suggestions on possible setups, the server would need to be configured as appropriate with CPU/RAM/HDD.

    For a BASIC CCNA:Voice setup:
    1 x HQ router (CUE optional)
    1 x ESXi server w/CUCM, CUCx, CUPS, Win XP (for each IP Communicator instance)
    + IP Communicator, VIC/VWIC cards as required

    For a PRACTICAL CCNA:Voice setup:
    1 x HQ router (CUE optional)
    1 x PSTN router
    1 x PoE switch if using handsets
    1 x ESXi server w/CUCM, CUCx, CUPS, Active Directory Server, Win XP (for each IP Communicator instance)
    + handsets/IP Communicator, WIC/HWIC & VIC/VWIC cards

    For a FULL CCNP/CCIE:Voice setup:
    1 x HQ router
    2 x Branch routers (with CUE on one)
    1 x PSTN router
    1 x PoE switch
    1 x ESXi server w/CUCM, CUCx, CUPS, Active Directory Server
    + handsets, WIC/HWIC & VIC/VWIC cards
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    I'm looking into getting the proper equipment how does the list look? I'm confused about the PVDM modules.
    • 2 Cisco 2811 routers with a VWIC2-1MFT-T1/E1 modules and a Cisco PVDM2-16 module (this PVDM2 module looks like RAM almost, will I need to open the router and manually install this?)
    • One WS-C3560-24 Switch
    • Two 7962 IP phones
    • CUCM, CUC, CUPS software which I can easily run in a VM.
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