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    Default Running CCM

    Can CCM 4.x be run on VMWare on an external HD on one's home PC? I was told it could, but I wanted to check. Can't afford a server proper. Thanks.
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    Good going so far with those instructions at that great site.

    It is asking one thing, however, that I'm not sure which option I should pick. When I get to the part of the easyvmx installation, when it comes to network configuration it asks - for NAT - whether I want a *bridged* or "host only* configuration. Bridged lets your virtual machine seem like another device on your local network, and Host Only allows your PC to communicate to the virtual machine.

    Which should I pick? This is only for my home lab.
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    Assuming you're already behind a firewall/NAT device (between you and the internet) I would go with bridged then it will be easy for it to communicate to any other devices on your internal network - if that's something you don't want then pick host only.
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    *Sigh* Another question - sorry.

    Almost done with installation, but confused right at the end here.

    I installed and opened the vmx file,and the VMWare player opened, but then I got this message: "No bootable CD, floppy or hard disk was detected. To install an operating system, insert a bootable CD or floppy and restart the virtual machine by clicking the Reset button."

    I might add that in the tutorial instructions through BlindHog, the author installed an Ubuntu OS (Linux?) for the .iso image in the CDROM field, where I put nothing. Hmm. Was I supposed to install Ubuntu, or something else there? If so, it wanted a computer path to put in the field, and where would I find such a path when I don't even know what to look for?

    Confused at this point.....
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    he puts the o/s cd (win2k sp4 in his case) in the cdrom drive before running the vmx file. the error msg you are getting is because there is no o/s installed in the virtual machine yet.

    http://www.blindhog.net/tutorials/ccm-4-vmware3.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by astorrs
    he puts the o/s cd (win2k sp4 in his case) in the cdrom drive before running the vmx file. the error msg you are getting is because there is no o/s installed in the virtual machine yet.

    http://www.blindhog.net/tutorials/ccm-4-vmware3.htm
    This tutorial seems to be all about installing a Windows 2000 server disk. Is this something I'm going to need to download onto my external HD in addition to the VMWare player and easyvmx installation?

    I had started with the very first tutorial, and I thought it walked me step-by-step with what I needed. It seems that it's assuming some things are already in place, which I don't seem to have yet.
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    CCM is an application that runs on-top of and requires an O/S (in the tutorials case they are using W2K w/ SP4). Tutorial #3 covers this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astorrs
    CCM is an application that runs on-top of and requires an O/S (in the tutorials case they are using W2K w/ SP4). Tutorial #3 covers this.
    Tutorial #3 assumes that you *already* have a Windows 2000 server disk avaiilable, which I do not, nor does it cover in the previous tutorials how to get it. So the tutorials at this point are not assisting me, as I cannot proceed further.

    Let me elaborate - in tutorial #1, I tell the easyvmx to give it a virtual machine name, then tell it to select the guest OS from a drop-down list. The author in the tutorial selects Linux. I just selected my PC's Windows XP Home edition. Was this incorrect? Since the installation is saying that I need a Windows 2000 Server disk, is this what I should have put in the field?
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    Let me see if I can remember the two ways I know how to install it...


    1. Cracked hardware detection disk...( no reg edits)
    Get Hardware box (white or black box...what ever)
    Install OS ( what ever you want... Linux or MS)
    Install VMware Server
    Create VM box based on windows95 os... ( not really going to install 95 but you need to do it or else you will try to install and it will fail after install)
    Boot VM box up with CCM media mounted either ISO or CD/DVD.. what ever...
    Install CCM...

    2. Reg Edit Install
    Get Hardware box (white or black box...what ever)
    Install Windows 2000 OS... ( No VMware needed..)
    Find all the different Reg Edits you need to pass Hardware detection CD
    Install CCM...


    That is a very dirty description on how to do it... but you might want to think about trying to get your hands on 6 I hear it is easier to install in VM....

    Side note ... ( I wouldn't run it on anything less then a 2.4 with less then 1 Gig a ram... I will run but I will run like crap...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Tutorial #3 assumes that you *already* have a Windows 2000 server disk avaiilable, which I do not, nor does it cover in the previous tutorials how to get it.
    Yes the tutorial assumes you have a Windows 2000 CD available to install the O/S. No one here is going to be able to help you get a copy of that if you don't already have one - you're on your own to figure that one out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astorrs
    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Tutorial #3 assumes that you *already* have a Windows 2000 server disk avaiilable, which I do not, nor does it cover in the previous tutorials how to get it.
    Yes the tutorial assumes you have a Windows 2000 CD available to install the O/S. No one here is going to be able to help you get a copy of that if you don't already have one - you're on your own to figure that one out.
    Well, since the tutorial author uses Ubuntu Linux for his virtual OS, I just found a site where I could download it for free and put it on my external HD as an .iso file. I figure I'll use it for the VMWare player. It doesn't have to be the same OS as my PC, right? I'll see how I can proceed with this later after I get off work.
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    Okay I see where the confusion is happening. He's reused a tutorial from some Ubuntu tutorial (idiot). Think of the first 3 steps for CCM like this:

    1. Install VMware Player (or Workstation if you have a copy) and create a VMX file (using EasyVMX if you only have Player or with VMware Workstation) for a Windows 2000 guest and point it to an ISO of Windows 2000 Server.
    2. Extract the VMX file.
    3, Run the virtual machine and install Windows 2000 w/ SP4
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    Everything went fine until I opened the VMWare player and pointed to the .vmx file to run on. When I did, I got this message:

    "Not enough physical memory is available to power on this virtual machine. If you were able to power on this virtual machine on this host computer in the past, try rebooting the host computer. Rebooting may allow you to use slightly more host memory to run virtual machines." [See here -> http://www.myonlinechalkboard.com/vmware-problem.html

    I put the VMWare player and the easyvmx stuff on my external HD, which has about 300 GB free, whereas my PC HD only has about 1 GB free, so I'm wondering if it's trying to use my PC's space somehow? Otherwise, something has been configured wrong.

    Btw, I just downloaded the Ubuntu Linux OS, since it was faster and easier to use with the downloads, since the tutorial author used it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Everything went fine until I opened the VMWare player and pointed to the .vmx file to run on. When I did, I got this message:

    "Not enough physical memory is available to power on this virtual machine. If you were able to power on this virtual machine on this host computer in the past, try rebooting the host computer. Rebooting may allow you to use slightly more host memory to run virtual machines." [See here -> http://www.myonlinechalkboard.com/vmware-problem.html

    I put the VMWare player and the easyvmx stuff on my external HD, which has about 300 GB free, whereas my PC HD only has about 1 GB free, so I'm wondering if it's trying to use my PC's space somehow? Otherwise, something has been configured wrong.

    Btw, I just downloaded the Ubuntu Linux OS, since it was faster and easier to use with the downloads, since the tutorial author used it.
    How much free RAM do you have?

    As for the last paragraph I think I made it clear that Ubuntu has nothing to do with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astorrs
    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Everything went fine until I opened the VMWare player and pointed to the .vmx file to run on. When I did, I got this message:

    "Not enough physical memory is available to power on this virtual machine. If you were able to power on this virtual machine on this host computer in the past, try rebooting the host computer. Rebooting may allow you to use slightly more host memory to run virtual machines." [See here -> http://www.myonlinechalkboard.com/vmware-problem.html

    I put the VMWare player and the easyvmx stuff on my external HD, which has about 300 GB free, whereas my PC HD only has about 1 GB free, so I'm wondering if it's trying to use my PC's space somehow? Otherwise, something has been configured wrong.

    Btw, I just downloaded the Ubuntu Linux OS, since it was faster and easier to use with the downloads, since the tutorial author used it.
    How much free RAM do you have?

    As for the last paragraph I think I made it clear that Ubuntu has nothing to do with this.
    Here are my computer's stats:

    Total physical memory: 512 MB
    Available physical memory: 198.91 MB
    Total virtual memory: 2 GB
    Available virtual memory: 1.96 GB

    I hope this helps.
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    You are going to need at least a gig to get the VM to run at an acceptable level of performance. The default memory allocation for the VM is probably going to take at least 256 and it looks like you only have 198
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    When you install 4.x in VMWare it will check how much memory the VMware maching has, and it will not allow you to continue unless you have 1 gig allocated to the VMWare machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gojericho0
    You are going to need at least a gig to get the VM to run at an acceptable level of performance. The default memory allocation for the VM is probably going to take at least 256 and it looks like you only have 198
    Ok. It makes sense that although the VM is on my external HD, it's accessing the RAM on my PC's motherboard.

    So you think that if I bumped my RAM up to 1 GB, I won't get that error message about not enough physical memory? [ http://www.myonlinechalkboard.com/vmware-problem.html ] It would sure be nice that, after installing more RAM, the VM powered right up.
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    You will need RAM for both VMWare and the host operating system so you will need more than 1 GB total. Once you install it you can back down the amount of memory allocated to the VMWare virtual machine and CUCM will still work, it only checks the amount of available memory during the install.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Ok. It makes sense that although the VM is on my external HD, it's accessing the RAM on my PC's motherboard.
    Yep, it's not like your external HDD brought extra RAM to the party just for your VM.
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    UPDATE:

    Ok, I simply found the Windows XP OS disk that came with my computer and put that into my CD-ROM drive instead of trying to plod through the whole Ubuntu fiasco. It did load through it once I opened the VMWare player. I got a DOS-looking screen and got through some instructions, then it asked if I now want to install the OS into a 4 GB (?) partition? I'm puzzled here - I don't want to do something stupid and reinstall my OS onto my PC's HD; my external HD doesn't need one. I also don't have 4 GB (?) of space on my HD if that's what it's looking for. Extra partition space for this download? No clue.

    The screenshot is here: http://www.myonlinechalkboard.com/vmware-problem4.html

    The next step in the tutorial said that a new partition had been created on said drive, which was - in this case - the C: drive. I saw no option to change drives so far.

    I also successfully installed 2 GB of RAM.

    Btw, has anyone tried to just install the VMWare Server instead of the Player? They're both free. Would it be an easier solution that the Player route?

    Can anyone suggest the direction from here? My experimenting has gone nowhere.
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    I guess I'm done with trying to download the VMWare Player. After days of trying, no matter what I do, I always get the message:

    Setup has detected that VMware Player is already installed on this machine. Pl3ease uninstall this product through Add/Remove Programs and try again.

    Prior to re-installing the player again, I removed the program from Add/Remove Programs; I also did a computer search for anything "vmware" and deleted those. I don't know where else to look for this mysterious player allegedly lurking somewhere on my computer. Until then, I can't download and use anything VMWare Player/Server.

    Is there another way to run Cisco CallManager that the way I'm trying to do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Is there another way to run Cisco CallManager that the way I'm trying to do it?
    Install it directly on a supported server using the official 4.x media kit.

    Install it directly on a generic PC using the registry hacks.

    Try again using Microsoft Virtual PC.

    Fix your VMWare issue.

    I'm assuming that you're doing this on your original host OS and not in that XP Virtual Machine you seem to have decided to create after doing something with Ubuntu ....

    Check out Cleaning Up After Incomplete Uninstallation on a Windows Host in the VMWare knowledge base.

    If you're having this much trouble figuring out a simple utility application and haven't ever done a server install, you may want to evaluate (and remedy) your current level of computer knowledge and skills. I've never seen a Cisco Professional (or a good Cisco Associate) who needed their hand held by level 1 helpdesk support to get their job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikej412
    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchyhippo
    Is there another way to run Cisco CallManager that the way I'm trying to do it?
    If you're having this much trouble figuring out a simple utility application and haven't ever done a server install, you may want to evaluate (and remedy) your current level of computer knowledge and skills. I've never seen a Cisco Professional (or a good Cisco Associate) who needed their hand held by level 1 helpdesk support to get their job done.
    Simple to you. While your technical knowledge is impressive, I would suggest that you spend time on your people skills. When I see that you've replied to a post of mine, I think Lookout, what's he gonna say now?

    Maybe I have asked a lot of questions, but I have no teachers, no friends to call up who can help, and I don't really work in the networking field at the moment. Asking online is my only way of getting over the rough spots.
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