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    Quote Originally Posted by azaghul View Post
    Looking at the full CCNP:V cert path, it would appear that ICOMM (CCNA:V) is a full prerequisite, and no substituting CVoice allowed. This effectively makes CCNP:V 6 exams for those starting the track after Feb 2011, compared to CCNP:R&S being 3 exams.
    I would have expected them to collapse some voice tests like they did with the CCNP. Oh well.
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    Voice is the place to be ... Is the NP-V path the only one that has 6 tests? lol...

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    #28
    so am i right in saying us CCVP's are now 'old school'? :S

    wonder if there's anyway to take an exam and get our CCVP's changed to a CCNP:Voice, though I did prefer the old naming convention.
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    #29
    Quote Originally Posted by kaleel86 View Post
    wonder if there's anyway to take an exam and get our CCVP's changed to a CCNP:Voice
    Been wondering that too, although to be honest I'm not that worried if I aim for IE the it's superseded anyways and it covers V8 etc.
    From an alternative view point if you list your cert as CCVP then aany prospective employer would know you have experience under your belt, at least on paper anyways. Again working on the assumption your still currently working with the technology and not just padding your CV. Experience + Cert = $$
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    #30
    Looks like it's just a straight up name change - If you complete the same 5 tests that we took before the deadline the certificate will say CCNP:Voice and not CCVP.

    From the site:

    Effective Tuesday, October 19, 2010, candidates studying for the previous CCVP exams or new CCNP Voice exams will receive a CCNP Voice certificate. The last day to test using current CCVP exams is Monday, February 28, 2011.
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    #31
    Basically, yes...

    get it ALL done before / on Feb 28 and you're CCVP... After... CCNP-V..

    Honestly, I think a lot of HR managers and Recruiters will relate to CCNP than CCVP b/c CCNP has been around for so long but what I think will confuse the whole situation, only at first, is just what i stated above... I can see someone saying ..

    Great, your CCNP! wait.. whats the V .. CCNP-V .. hmm.. or just simply look past the V lol..

    either way who cares.. any good recruiter or employee hiring in this game should already be up to speed or at least google CCVP and see CCNP-V as the new name.

    Its also our job as candidates to educate the recruiters out there.. I dont know how many hits I have gotten in the past requesting I take a job well over my head thats asking for CCIE level engineer ... I flat out deny their persistance.

    Anyone else ever get requested to accept a job well above their level? Or am i just stupid for not going through the process? I figure, get the cert, ccie for example then apply ?? lol sounds logical right?
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    #32
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    Great, your CCNP! wait.. whats the V .. CCNP-V .. hmm.. or just simply look past the V lol..
    Yep I can see this happening a lot. Although to be honest I think the problems will be educating them that your CCNP-V = CCVP. If you get to speak to them great you can do that, however chances are they wont see what they want and pass you over.


    Quote Originally Posted by tokhss View Post
    Anyone else ever get requested to accept a job well above their level? Or am i just stupid for not going through the process? I figure, get the cert, ccie for example then apply ?? lol sounds logical right?
    Yep but if I felt upto the challange then I'd accept it. Most of my roles I've always stepped up that way That's not to say I've gone from helpdesk to security consultant in one leap, its been a steady incline but I made the moves before I got the certs.
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    #33
    yeah.. my method when it comes to the cisco world is 2 paths..

    1. experience will lead to you to better more in depth roles

    2. Get the Cert, then apply for experience

    I currently dont do much voice work and thats my barrier right now ... no experience other than my home lab. so i feel that i need my cert, along with my non-voice networking background and hope that an employer see's potential i bring to the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokhss View Post
    either way who cares.. any good recruiter or employee hiring in this game should already be up to speed or at least google CCVP and see CCNP-V as the new name.
    I searched our resume database for CCNP and Voice and excluded CCVPs -- and got waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more hits then just searching for CCVPs.

    We're now discussing what our search terms will be to find qualifed Cisco Voice people..... CCVP, "CCNP Voice", "Cisco Certified Voice Professional", "Cisco Certified Network Professional Voice" made the cut -- and maybe CCNP-Voice and/or CCNP:Voice. And if someone doesn't have the magical phrase "CCNP Voice" and only puts CCNP-V they won't make the "voice cut."

    CCNP and CCNP Security and CCNP Voice and CCNP Service Provider job candidates are NOT interchangeable -- so I'm sticking with my original opinion -- the marketing dweebs at Cisco have they collective heads so far up their a**es they can't see daylight.

    If we want to find a CCNP in the future -- what do we search for?
    A search for CCNP will find all CCNPs, and CCNP Security and CCNP Voice and CCNP Service Provider -- and some of those CCNPs won't be the plain common ordinary CCNPs we're looking for. And we don't necessarily want to drop "multiple CCNP holders" from consideration for a CCNP job.

    And then there are going to be the people who do realize that this will get confusing -- and then proclaim that the CCIE is now the new entry level certification and the only way to get considered for a "Cisco Job."
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    #35
    Exactly..

    F this BS. CCVP should just remain.
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    I emailed cisco to see if I qualify to use the new CCNP: Voice logos once they are released - curious on what they say. I like CCVP much better myself.
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    I'm also trying to figure out why if the CCNA is a prerequisite for the CCNA Specializations, the CCNP isn't a prerequisite for the CCNP Specializations.

    If they are all independent, and CCNP is the generic family name any of the professional level certifications, then they need to rename the plain CCNP to CCNP Routing & Switching (or CCNP Routing And Switching).

    The CCSP, er, CCNP Security exams are solid updates. And since you usually just use LLQ for voice, you don't need all of the QoS history, theory, and legacy knowledge. So dropping QoS from the CCNP Voice track is okay -- but QoS itself is probably worth being a CCNP R&S exam.

    The CCNP Voice seems to be doing the things that Security just moved away from -- a means of forcing, er, introducing more products to people via the Certification system in hopes of driving sales of other products/solutions. Cisco Certifications should cover the 70-80% that most people/sites will use -- and leave the other 20-30% of things most sites will never use to the Cisco Specialist Certifications.

    And my first look at the "new" CCNA:Voice exam (ICOMM) makes me think it's a data entry certification.

    This exam tests a candidate's knowledge of the architecture, components, functionalities, and features of Cisco Unified Communications solutions. It also tests the knowledge needed to perform tasks such as system monitoring, moves, additions and changes on Cisco Unified Communications Manager, Cisco Unified Communications Manager Express, Cisco Unity Connection, and Cisco Unified Presence.
    I guess if you take the classes then you can practice the data entry and monitoring tasks on the pre-built and configured hardware and software. But if you are doing self-study I guess you hope that someone offers rack rental or sales of a pre-built and configured lab solution.
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    Its a good thing its not the name of the cert or the letters its made up of that gets you a job, rather your skills, knowledge and experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT-Rob View Post
    Its a good thing its not the name of the cert or the letters its made up of that gets you a job, rather your skills, knowledge and experience
    True, no doubt. HOWEVER, it has been the name of the cert and the letters its made up of that got me the interview.
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    Hmmm this could be more of a mess for hiring purposes than cisco may have thought. I'm not liking that CCNP is still just CCNP. They should streamline each level. If associate level has the CCNA as a prereq, then the professional level should have the CCNP as a prereq.

    Personally I think the CCENT should be a first exam to get. Then pick either ICND2 or Voice or Security or wireless etc and call the CCNA, CCNA Routing & Switching. Then have that be a prereq to CCNP Routing & Switching, and onward and upward.
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    All CCVPs in our team will throw some dirty and harsh emails to Cisco. Fvck it, why mess up voice with CCNP??
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    I just logged into the certification tracking system and I now show up as CCVP and CCNP Voice certified...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitviper View Post
    I just logged into the certification tracking system and I now show up as CCVP and CCNP Voice certified...

    =/

    I miss CCVP already.
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    Looks like I'm a CCNP Voice now too -- but also still just a CCSP
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