CCNP revamped?

creamy_stew · 06-26-2009, 10:11 PM

I just got a course catalog from a local cisco training center.

o_0

They list the CCNP track as consisting of the following three new courses:
ROUTE
SWITCH
TSHOOT (Troubleshooting cisco switched Networks)

In other words, no more security/vpn or qos?

When I went to their site, all it lists is the ONT, ISCW etc. But surely they didn't just pull that new curriculum out of their ass?

I kinda think it sucks to remove the ONT and ISCW content, especially since I have already studied most of the material, but haven't yet begun my CCNP.

Anyone else heard of this?

/creamy

networker050184 · 06-26-2009, 10:17 PM

Troubleshooting was one of the old CCNP exams before the current track. So I think this training provider is behind the curve not ahead.

Cisco's site doesn't indicate anything about changes to the current exams.

creamy_stew · 06-26-2009, 10:39 PM

Nah, the old troubleshooting exam was called CIT - cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting.

Also, they explicitly state that its a new curriculum and its now only three courses.

miller811 · 06-27-2009, 01:16 AM

You are mistaken,

CCNP Certification - Cisco Systems

creamy_stew · 06-27-2009, 11:00 PM

Serenity now

tech-airman · 06-28-2009, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miller811

You are mistaken,

CCNP Certification - Cisco Systems

miller811,

That lists the current publically published requirements to achieve CCNP certification. It doesn't mention non-public information such as possible changes in the works behind the scenes.

In a related note, the current publically published webpage for the 640-801 CCNA exam lists "Retired November 6, 2007." However, those who are still eligible, due to non-pubilic information, may still take the 650-801 CCNA exam until next month.

Link: 640-801 CCNA - IT Certification and Career Paths - Cisco Systems

So please don't claim that someone's mistaken purely based on only publically available information.

miller811 · 06-28-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tech-airman

miller811,

That lists the current publically published requirements to achieve CCNP certification. It doesn't mention non-public information such as possible changes in the works behind the scenes.

In a related note, the current publically published webpage for the 640-801 CCNA exam lists "Retired November 6, 2007." However, those who are still eligible, due to non-pubilic information, may still take the 650-801 CCNA exam until next month.

Link: 640-801 CCNA - IT Certification and Career Paths - Cisco Systems

So please don't claim that someone's mistaken purely based on only publically available information.

It is not based purely on publicly available information, it is also based on my opinion.

redwarrior · 06-28-2009, 11:07 AM

Based on the fact that Cisco is actually expanding what the CCIE R&S covers and that the CCNP is considered by them to be the professional level cert to prepare for the CCIE R&S, I find it highly unlikely that they would scale back what the CCNP covers at this time. Training vendors are free to offer whatever classes they want and call them whatever they want. I'd say it's probable that these "new" courses from the training vendor had name changes for reasons within the training vendor's curriculum, not upcoming exam changes on Cisco's part.

tiersten · 06-28-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creamy_stew

They list the CCNP track as consisting of the following three new courses:
ROUTE
SWITCH
TSHOOT (Troubleshooting cisco switched Networks)

In other words, no more security/vpn or qos?

If it was TSHOOT in addition to ONT and ISCW then it'd be a little more believable. I don't see Cisco taking those topics out of CCNP any time soon.

snakep · 06-28-2009, 03:00 PM

Can anyone tell me what the individual exam fees are for BSCI, BCMSN, ONT and ISCW? Can't seem to find them anywhere...tks. sl

netteaser · 06-28-2009, 04:11 PM

vue.com

rakem · 06-29-2009, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiersten

If it was TSHOOT in addition to ONT and ISCW then it'd be a little more believable. I don't see Cisco taking those topics out of CCNP any time soon.

+1.

Dont see ONT and ISCW being removed.

Forsaken_GA · 06-29-2009, 11:01 AM

I dunno, I actually could see it if they're going to continue their trend of fanning everything out into specializations.

The problem with the CCNP is that it's a jack of all trades cert at the moment, and there are topics in the CCNP which I found frustrating because the amount of material seemed quite superficial. Wireless and Voice come immediately to mind.

Until Cisco announces anything along these lines, though, it's all speculation.

mikej412 · 06-29-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creamy_stew

Anyone else heard of this?

Why don't you give them a call and ask them?

Are they listed on the Cisco web site as a Cisco Learning Center or Training Partner? If Cisco is changing the CCNP to this "new format", then they are probably violating their NDA with Cisco. Learning Partners/Training Centers do get some advanced notice about changes.

But if this is their own bootcamp type training that doesn't use or follow the official Cisco courseware, then this thread is just another silly thread like Cisco retires 642 -901 exam [not].... That is the only one of about 5 different threads on that "change" that I left in the forum.

creamy_stew · 06-29-2009, 11:05 PM

[QUOTE=mikej412;324882]Why don't you give them a call and ask them?

Are they listed on the Cisco web site as a Cisco Learning Center or Training Partner? If Cisco is changing the CCNP to this "new format", then they are probably violating their NDA with Cisco. Learning Partners/Training Centers do get some advanced notice about changes.
/QUOTE]

They are listed, yes. I also bet they are scared shitless right now. What I think happened is someone in the marketing department made a big doodoo. Since no-one else has heard about this, my guess is they sent out a tentative 2010 catalog.

Anyway, the more I think about this, the more sense it makes; the CCNP really has been kind of all over place recently. Now, if you want ISCW- pick CCNA-S. No real one-cert replacement for ONT though. Perhaps they'll incorporate more QoS in the ROUTE and SWITCH exams, and if you want more than that, go CCIP.

But, yeah, total speculation now.

mikej412 · 06-29-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creamy_stew

the CCNP really has been kind of all over place recently

I still think when they made the last changes they should have kept BCRAN and CIT and just made the CCNP a 7 exam Certification (like the MCSE) by adding the QOS exam and one of the CCSP exams like SNRS, and the CVOICE exam.

eduromer · 06-30-2009, 02:01 AM

I do think troubleshooting should be on ccnp track it would be great for preparing for job and ccie new troubleshooting part on the lab. besides testing what you learn cause the emulation labs are really easy compared to real life stuff

ColbyG · 07-01-2009, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikej412

I still think when they made the last changes they should have kept BCRAN and CIT and just made the CCNP a 7 exam Certification (like the MCSE) by adding the QOS exam and one of the CCSP exams like SNRS, and the CVOICE exam.

eff that

creamy_stew · 07-03-2009, 03:25 PM

The plot thickens...

Pearson - Search Results

Pearson - Search Results

Pearson - Search Results

Forsaken_GA · 07-03-2009, 04:07 PM

That is interesting. Either there are changes brewing, or someone is going to lengths to stage a hoax

ColbyG · 07-03-2009, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creamy_stew

The plot thickens...

Pearson - Search Results

Pearson - Search Results

Pearson - Search Results

Whoa. Interesting.

buemae808 · 07-04-2009, 12:33 AM

Those books didn't show up when I tried to search by the ISBN on Safari's website.

Forsaken_GA · 07-04-2009, 02:33 PM

Obviously, if this is legit, it's not supposed to be widespread knowledge yet, so that's not surprising. If the summaries of those books can be believed, Cisco should be announcing the changes this year. Just have to wait and see

crisb20 · 07-17-2009, 07:18 PM

I did a copy and paste of the ISDN number for the CCNP route portable command guide on Amazon and came up with this:

Amazon.com: Deploying Cisco Wide Area: Books

The book is titled Deploying Cisco Wide Area and is scheduled to be released in November 2009.

Forsaken_GA · 07-17-2009, 07:26 PM

70 bucks, and a paper back instead of a hard back, so that's probably either going to be a CCIE book, or one of their supplemental guides, like network admins survival guide, or router firewall security