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    Default CCNP 2010 updates

    http://content.ll-0.com/cisco_netaca...i=100109125824

    The exams are listed below, new exams appear in bold type:
    •642-901 BSCI; replaced by 642-902 ROUTE
    •642-812 BCMSN; replaced by 642-813 SWITCH
    •642-832 TSHOOT
    •642-825 ISCW; no replacement
    •642-845 ONT; no replacement
    •642-892 Composite; no replacement
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    Interesting. So the current path is still valid for about 15 months. I wonder when new resources will start to surface for the new exams...
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    Interesting. I think this is cool. I already have the CBT nuggets for the current exam series so hopefully some good material will come out for the tshoot exam. Nice way to save time/money.
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    Whoa, a troubleshoot-exam! That is great

    Lil lame I just ordered the Cisco CCNP official certiciation library... Well, it is still going to be useful, of course!
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    Nice. I just came to post this too.
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    "The four existing CCNP certification exams will be available to the general public through June 30, 2010"

    just got my CCNA and started studying for CCNP, damn i have to hurry up

    Any info on what actually will be different on route and switch exams? i mean, routing protocols havent changed much in recent years afaik...
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    Oh, yikes! The end of 2010 is just for net academy students. Maybe I'll try to do BSCI and BCMSN by then and then do the troubleshooting later in the year...
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    This is pretty interesting. It's nice that they are keeping BSCI and BCMSN valid even after the transition.
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    Nice! Now you can do it in just three tests (once the new ones are released). I wonder if this means they will be increasing the cost of the tests?

    I was contemplating doing ONT before BSCI. This news makes that a definite no.
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    I'm not crazy about them removing ONT and ISCW. Unless they put some of that material in the other exams, they're going to end up with very narrowly focused CCNPs.
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    I doubt there is less material in the new curriculim. The old BCMSN (642-811) had a lot of QoS material that was moved to ONT. It only seems logical they would put it back.

    This is what I think they could be doing:

    BSCI (troubleshoting) > TSHOOT
    BCMSN (troubleshoting) > TSHOOT
    ONT (troubleshoting) > TSHOOT
    ISCW (troubleshoting) > TSHOOT

    BSCI > ROUTE
    ISCW > ROUTE

    BCMSN > SWITCH
    ONT > SWITCH
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColbyNA View Post
    I'm not crazy about them removing ONT and ISCW. Unless they put some of that material in the other exams, they're going to end up with very narrowly focused CCNPs.

    I agree. I think the CCNP was very well rounded (even though I HATED the wireless crap). If they take out a lot of the security and QoS stuff the CCNP starts to really drop in value as a real world certification IMO. I guess we will see when the exam objectives come out, but so far I'm thinking this is a bad move. I do like the TSHOOT exam though.
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    Nice post, I was going down this road but not ready to do the exams that quickly. I'll wait for the updated materials while still looking for an entry level networking job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by networker050184 View Post
    I agree. I think the CCNP was very well rounded (even though I HATED the wireless crap). If they take out a lot of the security and QoS stuff the CCNP starts to really drop in value as a real world certification IMO. I guess we will see when the exam objectives come out, but so far I'm thinking this is a bad move. I do like the TSHOOT exam though.
    Yea, the addition of a troubleshooting exam is great.

    If they do move the material to other exams I would be ok with it. Though, somethings just don't have a logical place, like where do you put VPNs, ROUTE or SWITCH or what? QoS also, unless they do L2 QoS on SWITCH and L3 QoS on ROUTE. I'm interested to see the blueprints.
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    The troubleshooting exam sounds interesting. That might be a viable option for me renewing my Cisco stuff down the road.
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    I wonder what is going to be the best course of action for people wanting to get the ccnp track start.
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    I was going to start my ccnp studies in just over a month but since there are changing all the exams etc there does'nt seem much point now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas130 View Post
    I was going to start my ccnp studies in just over a month but since there are changing all the exams etc there does'nt seem much point now.
    BSCI and/or BCMSN would be safe exams to work on, as long as you can finish by the cut-off date.
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    yeah i agree, it would be interesting to see actual objectives for new exams, i guess we have to wait for cisco's official announcment which should arrive soon. But i already just started working on BCSI and i have no intentions to stop. Routing protocols havent changed in recent years so its pretty safe to study OSPF, EIGRP, BGP etc.

    besides, i think that even after the cut-off date BCSI and BCMSN will be valid for counting towards new CCNP (for some time). im pretty confident i can pass BCSI and BCMSN before july 2010 so i might do BCSI, BCMSN and TSHOOT to get CCNP. will see... cisco's official announcment should answer all those questions.
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    My only concern right at this moment does this mean the CCNP is dumb down. So if you want to learn about wireless, qos and secuirty you need to get them ceritification and ccnp will just focused on switching and routing.
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    You know why they are doing this imo:
    Money

    They want a routing/switching cert, A wireless cert, A voice cert, A security cert, and a transport cert. Overlap=less books purchased= less money. They want more money.
    To me it is kind of like what MS did with the SA/EA/EMA tracks for the MCITP. They split it up "job" roles so that they could make more money. Ultimately a lot of people (wanting to be the best at their jobs) did both tracks.
    I think in the not to distant future to be a good CC*P level networker, you will have to have several concentrations of certs: CCNP, CCSP, CCIP, CCVP CCNP:W CCDP, or some combo of these certs to be at a Pro level. Now when I say combo of these certs I mean more or less combo of the knowledge from these certs (if this makes sense).
    I was thinking about this last night and ultimately this doesn't change a whole lot for me nor should it change much for those who are going for the CCNP.

    I already have the cpt nuggets for the current/old CCNP and the question for me is can I get the ISCW and ONT done before June. I had planned on starting studying for the ISCW and CCNA:S at the end of this month but now I am thinking that BSCI + CCNA:S will be in my future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knwminus View Post
    You know why they are doing this imo:
    Money
    Really? I thought the "techies" finally won over the "marketers."

    The "old CCNP" had Routing, Switching, WAN, and Troubleshooting.

    If they were about the money, they would have taken my suggestion and just added the QoS, MPLS, CVOICE, and SRND exams to the BSCI & BCMSN exams back then (and kept the CIT exam).

    Instead it seemed the "marketers" decided the current CCNP should teach a smattering of everything the marketers wanted to sell -- while only teaching a CCNP enough to run the network and call in 3rd party vendors for Voice, Wireless, and Firewalls/Security.

    Oh -- and I think they should make the CCNA:Security a prerequisite for the "new CCNP." And QoS should be a prerequisite for ALL Cisco Professional Certifications.
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    And QoS should be a prerequisite for ALL Cisco Professional Certifications.
    Ain't that the truth! One of the most misunderstood concepts of networking no matter what level of knowledge or certification. I've been studying QoS (on and off) since I finished my CCNP and I'm still confused by a lot of things. I just never feel 100% ready for that exam because I just can't seem to master every subject. Once I get something like shaping 100% I forget all the inter workings of WRED. Me and QoS are in a vicious cycle right now
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    I thought Cisco made money from hardware and maintenance. They could not possibly be making nearly as much of their certifications, could they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanic View Post
    I thought Cisco made money from hardware and maintenance. They could not possibly be making nearly as much of their certifications, could they?
    I agree. The development and maintenance cost of those certification programs must be insane. Their ROI is having a large pool of qualified individuals to support their products.
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