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    SysAdmin were you able to come up with anyway to study the WCS and Cisco Works WLSE for the wireless section? I just started on the ONT and I don't see trial versions for these programs. So other than memorization how do we get exposure to these technologies before the exam?
    If you don't already have access to it, you're pretty much bound to rote memorization. That's why I hated the ONT wireless section.
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    Jeanathan, Forsaken is correct. There's no real way unless you already have access to the two, it's not worth buying it for such a small portion of the exam. I'm hoping its similar to the BCMSN where just knowing the theory was enough to get by. That's what I hear so far.

    Been working practice exams, weakest in the Wireless sections of course. The QoS stuff is pretty straightfoward, and the VoIP stuff is easy. Over all though, this exam seems fairly easy. I'm averaging 80% on practice exams already. Also watching videos (train signal) but like the book, it's a bore. I'm mostly focusing on cabling and purchasing for my CCIE lab. Oh my wife will be taking a break from law school (as soon as she started) because we found out last week she is officially 3 weeks preg!!!!! I wanted to cry at first lol, as our daughter is only 14 months now, but it's ok. This is why we bought the biggest house we could afford at the time, in case of an oops even though we had decided on one kid. She is devastated about law school for now, but she can pick back up in about 2 years when both kids are past the infant stage. I'm feeling like we can do it just like with our daughter, so I'm not as terrified as I was with her. We are experienced now lol.
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    From what I've heard from friends who took the ONT is that its the easiest of the 4 exams. I've completed the book and I have to say that none of the subjects are very in-depth, especially wireless ( it seems like they didn't even know where they were going with wireless, 3/4 of the material is already covered in the BCMSN ). Obviously the focus of the exam is QoS, but at most you need to understand it from a very high-level with minor configuration knowledge. It would have made a lot more sense if they left out the VOIP and Wireless and focused on QoS, at least then you would have a single subject covered well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SysAdmin4066 View Post
    Oh my wife will be taking a break from law school (as soon as she started) because we found out last week she is officially 3 weeks preg!!!!! I wanted to cry at first lol, as our daughter is only 14 months now, but it's ok. This is why we bought the biggest house we could afford at the time, in case of an oops even though we had decided on one kid.

    Congrats! My wife is 14 weeks pregnant now with twins. Pretty shocking, as our first is 4 yrs old. It definitely makes things interesting..for me, it's more motivation. I have to clear my goals to support them all...best of luck
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    The hardest part about the Wireless section is keeping which technology goes with what features straight (which one runs on Windows? Which one runs on on Windows or Linux? What are the memory and version requirements? Which feature goes with this software, which goes with that)

    The way I handled this was pretty simple - I typed up a sheet with the different items on it, printed it out, and looked it over for about 10 minutes before the exam to keep it fresh in my mind (I also did this with CCDP ARCH exam, and the various windows software in the security sections).

    It is an absolutely horrible way to learn. I don't remember most of it now, but since I didn't have the technology to actually get hands on with and learn for it, I settled for learning enough to pass the exam. I normally do not endorse a strategy of 'pass the exam' over 'learn the material for real', but in some cases, you really don't have a choice.
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    I know what you mean Forsaken, its rough not having the equipment or the software. It's more for the exam anyway though, because the material, like Yuriz said is so shallow, that retaining this info would really do you no good real world anyway. I figure if I need any of the wireless material going forward for whatever reason (we currently use Enterasys controllers and APs, I helped put some out at an animal shelter for the RFID guns and laptops they use to track the animals in the kennel areas), then I'll learn it in depth then. Hell, I'll probably be sent to formal training if that happens.

    Thanks on the congrats MRock, man that's crazy, twins! I guess I could be in the same boat, huh? Yeah it really does put into perspective the situation the US and the rest of the world is in right now. On my way home from the gym I had to turn the radio off, it was just too much. They were talking about the debt strategy to deploy versus the stimulus and the consequences of letting either one get out of control/too lean. I just kept thinking wtf will I do for these 3 PEOPLE I am now going to be responsible for. I am rarely nervous, excited or anxious about situations. I've been through the hardest service known to man in the Marine Corps and its hardened me to a degree. But this is scary. But we're actually striving during this downturn. I've invested in some avenues I would have otherwise been priced out, we have tons of cash savings, more than I've ever had and growing, and we're both gainfully employed in lucrative industries, I in IT and she in mental health. My daughter, who is 14 months, is oblivious to the world as she should be. She just plays, laughs, and has fun all day. Her biggest worry is bathtime or diaper changes, which puts a halt on playtime for a split second. I love that she is just so happy and excited about everything. I want to keep her innocent as long as possible. And as for this new guy/girl? Well my daughter's room will be moving over to where the office is, only fair she gets the bigger room. He'll (hopefully its a boy!) get the nursery, and i'll move downstairs. I got so much work in those three moves, more furniture to order, get home and put together, more painting, late night decorating, etc. Even though we've owned our home for almost 3 years now, we dont live in every room. In fact most of the rooms were completely unoccupied, we had no reason to be there or put anything in them. We lose our proposed home gym (although there may be a workaround with the office) but I gain a bigger office area, which is cool. I will probably buy all new furniture for the office as well, as stuff is cheap these days, might as well. I am excited, terrified, happy, sad, and everything else in between.
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    Feb 21st. That's the new date. In the meantime, I'm labbing from the INE Vol I CCIE workbook, starting with QoS as my first technology (I know huh, damn that rocks!). And of course practice exams up the wazoo, making sure i'm retaining the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SysAdmin4066 View Post
    Feb 24th. That's the new date. In the meantime, I'm labbing from the INE Vol I CCIE workbook, starting with QoS as my first technology (I know huh, damn that rocks!). And of course practice exams up the wazoo, making sure i'm retaining the info.
    Sounds great ..I'm doing a lot of reading right now for the IE written exam, but in about a month or so I plan on relabbing the INE Vol I stuff. I did them a long time ago, but not since the v4.0 update.

    I'm very much in the same boat as you. My wife was 8 weeks pregnant when we found out it was twins..very cool I think. I also wonder how things will work, when we go from 3 in the household to 5. When we buy our house, we'll be looking at a minimum of 5 bedrooms (we also have a proposed 'house gym' like yourself), and a computer room/office is a must. We'll see. I always think it's better to a little worried..it keeps you on your toes and motivated. It all works out, somehow! I'm on my way out the door from the Army, so I have the added stress of finding a good job, and separating from the service..it will be interesting! Anyway, I'm also hoping for at least one boy out of the twins..we will find out next month. Can't wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SysAdmin4066 View Post
    Feb 24th. That's the new date. In the meantime, I'm labbing from the INE Vol I CCIE workbook, starting with QoS as my first technology (I know huh, damn that rocks!). And of course practice exams up the wazoo, making sure i'm retaining the info.
    What practice exams you using? The ones at the end of the Off. exam guide? I think I am setting my date on the 13th...we will see. Almost completely through the lab portfolio..and going through wireless section here at work with the WLC. Only 1 AP to "use" unfortunately, but I think thats enough to get the idea.
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    Man Mrock, i'm excited for you. At this point you've got a greater chance at a boy then I do, you get a 2fer lol. Good luck, although once you have 1 girl, you've been through the pink and purple indoctrination. It's whatever from there, right? Good luck on the homebuying too man, it's fun, and stressful at the same time. But getting those keys, not many things beat that feeling. By the way, thank you for your service. I know it's a bit cliched these days, but I know what it means to become "Gov Property". I bet it feels good to be so close to EAS or whatever you Soldiers call it lol.

    Jason, I'm using transcender man, that's pretty much a staple for me. They are difficult questions, often more difficult than the exams themselves, the format is very close to the exam and it gives you a way to track your progression. They also usually have a pretty big pool so you dont run out of fresh question often. I usually start them 2 weeks to 30 days out. Gets you thinking about the topics in new ways and lets you know if you're ready or not to challenge the exams. I've been using them for years.
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    Babies abound it seems...

    I feel I know how you feel. My first is coming in may. Like you a mixture of feeling, and the news doesn't help. But then again I did marry the coolest girl in the world, and days are full of fun. Life is good and mostly worry free. (Thank you to the people who helped keep it like that).

    might not be just your networking skills i require
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    Those daddy skills are hard won, i'll tell you that much. I feel like i know my daughter pretty well, when she cries a certain way, I know she's sleepy. When she cries because of bathtime, I know how to make her smile and stop giving mommy grief for long enough to undress her and get her to the fun part again. Those little things all add up, and its a rough first going. But as they get older, they get more and more interactive, more and more reactive, they are such a joy. You dont think things can get any better, and they do. My daughter looks older and different everyday I come home from work. I wish you luck devilwah, luck and blessings. Children are truly lifes greatest jewel, sent from God to be protected and nurtured by us "adults". I still feel like i'm much to young to be someones father, but my parents were this age when they had me. And i'll be my parents age someday God-willing.

    Anyway, I got my NM-FE-TX modules tonight and low and behold, they work in the 2600XMs, so I'm golden. I ordered 2, and with the 2611XM I ordered and recieved last week, that makes 3 of my core routers 2 FE port capable. I am going to find one more NM-FE-TX tonight or tomorrow, get it ordered. I've got a NM-1E2W and 3 WIC-2Ts coming to complete my frame relay router, with one of those WICs going into my R2 router. I've cabled the switches, i'll cable the router FE ports tonight with the exception of the one I dont have and I'll cable the serial ports when I recieve the 2 packages I'm waiting on. I will then start doing my QoS stuff. Meanwhile, nothing but practice exams, videos, and light reading when necessary. I feel pretty good about this date and ready to be finished so I can move on. The CCIE is mine, I wont except anything less.
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    Yep, they are fun as they grow up. My daughter (remember, she's only 4) was singing "pants on the ground" from that vet off American Idol today...because she saw some kid with his shorts nearly touching the ground. It was priceless! I couldn't help but laugh. Of course, there are the hard times. Being on-call 24/7 for all kinds of problems, from nightmares to "the magic people in the bathroom" to her being thirsty...it's all become normal these days.

    I know how you feel about being ready to move on. I've been brushing up on the CCDA material a little, although I feel very confident about the exam. Regardless, I still feel like I have it hanging over my head, before the true prep begins for the written exam. Oh well. Best of luck either way, I'm sure you'll do fine.
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    Thanks Rock. Good day of practice exams, nothing more really as far as progression. I'll be doing the same thing til the 21st really. Cant come quick enough...
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    Taking ONT tomorrow. Wish me luck. I started CCNP with ONT (honestly, just loved the size of the book compared to the rest). That was a mistake. I think I didn't have enough understanding of routing and switching that you do need to pass it. So after failing it I re-thought the process and started with BSCI and BCMSN. Reading the same book again now was much easier (apparently my memory can still hold some information in it). I don't remember much about the questions I had a year ago, but I do remember myself thinking that I was paying way too much attention to details which caused me not to see the whole picture. So trying to take another approach with studying this time. Wireless now makes much more sense too (thanks to BCMSN), as well as security. So a few more practice tests, going over my notes and I'm going to get it!!!
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    ONT is looking promising as a final exam for me. Everyone seems to be saying that taking it last is yielding best results (i.e. it's relatively easy)
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    Taking ONT tomorrow. Wish me luck.
    Good luck
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    I passed!!! One suggestion - don't underestimate the SDM, was tested heavily on this topic...
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    Why must a CCNP expected to be able to use a tool for n00bs...

    Escapes me.

    The day they start putting SDM into a CCIE, i'll think twice about sitting it, lol.
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    gorebrush, i'm with you. What's even more stupid is expecting to know what green or red light here or there means... Seriously, you couldn't think of something more topic related, like an output of QoS configuration and it's interpretation... grrr...
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    First of all, Congratulations on the passs..

    I wondering what it will be like on the SWITCH exam? wonder if there's still a load of SDM, in the new exam path. I really hope not, as as much as possible I don't touch SDM day to day. I think it makes it more complicated than CLI, that to me is as logical as it can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilWAH View Post
    First of all, Congratulations on the passs..

    I wondering what it will be like on the SWITCH exam? wonder if there's still a load of SDM, in the new exam path. I really hope not, as as much as possible I don't touch SDM day to day. I think it makes it more complicated than CLI, that to me is as logical as it can get.
    It won't be so bad if they use Cisco Configuration Professional instead, atleast it works properly and is still an active development unlike SDM.

    Regardless, using either tool for a zone based firewall is a nightmare!!
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    Even the ccp I find hard going, its often slow and I still have it crashing.

    jumping around on CLi is so much nicer. and if you can do it CLi then I think it shows you have good knowlage of a skill.
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    Find it strange that the SDM is heavily covered in the ONT. There is just so little you can actually use it for with QoS. Also, the version of SDM in the ONT is different from the newest 2.5 version of the SDM. ( I'm talking about QoS wizard which has more options in the newer version ). You can check this by looking at the SDM pages in the Book or Net Academy material.

    ISCW obviously had a lot of material which was relevant to the SDM though.
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    I honestly don't recall a whole lot of SDM on ONT. ISCW is the only exam which made me want to smack the monitor over it
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