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    For me it's about a threshold. I'm pretty sure 75K+ I would be happy with my quality of life (though this figure can change on when I grow older / have a family), after that threshold, money will become way less important and quality of work environment becomes much more important. I'd much rather have 75K with the most awesome work environment than 150K with a meh environment
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    I may be wrong but seeing how everyone I know in the IT field is living comfortably, I think it's very unlikely that IT workers will live in the ghetto unless they choose to. They're also happy and not all about the money, people who are all about the money often get into law or day trading and most hate their jobs but it's money. The rich have by far the largest rate of suicide for a reason.

    Philz: I think you are aware most professors don't have very lucrative jobs unless they are doing things on the side like literature, correct? Then why do you strive to teach, because you want to? Catch my drift?
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfiend View Post
    I may be wrong but seeing how everyone I know in the IT field is living comfortably
    I see underpaid IT workers left and right. 35K in a big city is hard to live with. More importantly, I see overworked and/or under-appreciated IT people a lot too. But even if it is 50-60K, some people have a higher standard of living then others and would be very unhappy with such a "low" wage. Others are the happiest men on earth with 40-50K.

    There is always a scale in these things. You can like IT but not love it, but love the more costly lifestyle. Everyone has their own preferences, so it isn't as black and white as if you want money you do day trading
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    Sure, I'm one of those underpaid, overworked IT guys, but I'm still living fairly comfortably and I'm just starting out. 35K is above the national average pay. I'll gladly take more money and think I'm worth more than what I'm getting paid, otherwise I'd risk complacency. But working in IT just for the money or taking a different IT position solely based on money seems wrong to me.

    I'm only on my first IT job but I took the the lower paying job because I thought I'd like it more and allowed me to grow faster, and I was right, 3 months in I was basically the sys admin. The higher paying job had me sitting on the phone all day which sounded miserable. I chose to be happier than make more money.
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    Yea I agree that IT is a good place to be in right now and it is easier to live comfortably in IT than in many fields.

    Still, people who have a philosophy similar to Phil's might prefer a 120K salary with a boring job than a 80K salary with a great job simply because of the way they view things. I think what I'm trying to say is that in practice, it really depends on the person. Some people's thresholds are simply much higher. If I were 40 yo and at the top of my game, but the IT market wasn't as good etc, I'd probably rather take a 75-80K job that's boring or meh, than a 55-60K that was awesome

    Of curse, right now, since I am still learning, I would take a 29K job that teaches me a bunch over a 60K job that sucks and doesn't bring me towards my goals.

    For a lot of people, living comfortably comparatively to others is simply not enough, and they have their own definition of what comfortable is
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    Thanks every one who replied to me..

    well i don't wanna sound dramatic here, but the reason why i asked is that i came from a country where there is a war and i had to leave and start from scratch, i was working as system administrator for few years back in my country. things going tough and i am asking what certificate to achieve to find a job for living ( 6 figures or 5.... it doesn't matter) .

    I do have interests in networking and security as well, i did self-study CCNA and CEH also i play around with linux servers.

    so i guess i may go for 2 more MCSE and CCNA security maybe. beside i am into virtualization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nster View Post
    Yea I agree that IT is a good place to be in right now and it is easier to live comfortably in IT than in many fields.

    Still, people who have a philosophy similar to Phil's might prefer a 120K salary with a boring job than a 80K salary with a great job simply because of the way they view things. I think what I'm trying to say is that in practice, it really depends on the person. Some people's thresholds are simply much higher. If I were 40 yo and at the top of my game, but the IT market wasn't as good etc, I'd probably rather take a 75-80K job that's boring or meh, than a 55-60K that was awesome

    Of curse, right now, since I am still learning, I would take a 29K job that teaches me a bunch over a 60K job that sucks and doesn't bring me towards my goals.

    For a lot of people, living comfortably comparatively to others is simply not enough, and they have their own definition of what comfortable is
    Lol boring job, have you looked at my LinkedIn profile. I have one of the most diverse jobs you'll probably ever see.

    I'm sorry but I don't understand the work for x to be happy instead of working for x+ 50% and being unhappy. Why not find a way to make x+ 100% and still be happy?

    I guess its a different mentality.

    As for the professor salary question. Thats a whole nother story to un pack I'm slightly obsessive about learning and a professorship would allow me to do that. In the mean time its all about building up the dollars. I'm fiscally motivated probably why I am in an sales and not ops role.

    We will just have to agree to disagree on motivations for work and pay.
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    I think it depends on what city you live in as to what job constitutes a 6 figure salary.
    If you live in Alabama and make $50k a year you are probably better off than someone making $100k a year in New York.

    In Australia $100k is a pretty standard wage in IT for someone with experience, even a higher level Desktop Support person can earn $100k, but that money does not go far at all because the cost of living if ridiculously high.

    All I am saying is that it is all relative.
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    Lol boring job, have you looked at my LinkedIn profile. I have one of the most diverse jobs you'll probably ever see.
    Nono I'm not saying YOUR job is boring, you probably have the skills (and the job field) that lets you have both. I agree that we probably have different mentalities and motivations, and I think situations also make a huge difference (family vs not etc). What I was trying to say is that I would put an insane amount of value in the work environment. A slight improvement in work environment would easily be worth a 25% paycut if the final salary gives me "enough". Different philosophies can lead to people not understanding the other's point of vue, everyone is on a different scale for how they value the money.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaithArar View Post
    I do have interests in networking and security as well, i did self-study CCNA and CEH also i play around with linux servers.
    so i guess i may go for 2 more MCSE and CCNA security maybe. beside i am into virtualization.
    Networking and Security are pretty big fields on their own. Having a CCNA or CCNA Security is good to show you have knowledge of Networking and having a bit of Security is nice too, but I think it terms of value, MCSE and VCP-DCV are the ones that are going to get you jobs and money. If you are willing to go deeper in Network and/or Security and have your role change, than you have a lot of possibilities open to you of course
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    I also think the type of role you are working on or towards is a big factor as well. Doing something you are not good at can hurt, even if you get 20 k bump, so I agree that money isn't everything, but..... It's a lot. I'll put it this way, if I wasn't getting paid I wouldn't go to work.

    I'm a less is more guy in regards to certifications, I believe skills and knowledge is the real key to success. Of course the emotional intelligence piece is key as well. Managing your moods and your relationships is huge.
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