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    #26
    Quote Originally Posted by paul78 View Post
    I've never looked at Facebook groups and maybe I'm not getting something.

    Do people actually saying that they advocate cheating or do cheat on their certifications? Using their real identities? They must not be too bright. Oh wait....
    They are using their real names and pictures and they even share the dumps not just advocating them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by november24 View Post
    I tried everything to improve it but the improvement is so slow.
    Take pride in doing what you can to improve your life. So many times people compare themselves to other people but we are all unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E Double U View Post
    Some years ago I was on a team that demanded that we all get the CCSA. I recall a senior engineer stating he was the best engineer across all of our regions (which he was) and that certs were a complete joke to him because they don't prove your skills when the exam can be dumped. He said he would just go over the dump the day before the deadline, pass the stupid exam, and get back to real work. If anyone had a problem with him dumping, they sure didn't call him out on it because they knew this guy could run circles around them lol.
    Funny you mention this. The engineer I am referring too was the best on the team as well. He was consistently slammed with work that other engineers couldn't handle so he was the blow back valve.
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    I think I would try to avoid working for companies where (suspected) brain-dumped certifications are valued more than proven on-the-job skills.

    I don't think Microsoft should be blamed for the behaviour of brain dumpers. In my experience, Microsoft make more effort than most companies to make their exams dump-resistant and relevant to the tasks people do in their day jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by november24 View Post
    They are using their real names and pictures and they even share the dumps not just advocating them.
    So basically, these are stupid people who cheat and also steal. It's probably not a stretch to assume that they probably are liars as well. I would be skeptical about any successes they claim to have reaped from dumping exams.

    Since you already recognize that cheating isn't an answer, that makes you a winner compared to those losers. Maybe you should hang out in this forum instead of that other one.

    I work in financial services, it's common to have to agree to an ethics pledge. If I ever found out that someone in my org cheated on a cert and they claimed it on their resume, they would be terminated or sanctioned. And even if the individual is not in my org, I would force the issue.

    Maybe I'm just old-fashion but I believe in personal integrity and honesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H-bomb View Post
    I've worked for organizations that brought in training consultants for so called "bootcamps". These were nothing more than an instructor going over braindump questions for three 8-hour days. I suppose they get a bonus based upon how many people pass the exam and not whether it was done ethically or not. In the end, your only cheating yourself. That's why I LOVE the CISSP. There are no braindumps. You either know your stuff or you don't. S*%t or get off the pot.
    Management is the worst about this. I've seen a whole IT department go through "ITIL" training and all get dumps, the senior leaders went through additional training, the intermediate exams and they had "study guides". We are talking over 20 leaders......

    I'd rather not have a certification than dump one. I agree with Trojin my last certification is an invite only beta. Passed. Feels good and you can't dump it, no material, only white pages and experience.
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    IMHO, cheaters lose out in the end. Some are caught when they have no idea what you are talking about and can't do tasks they are certified in.
    Never let your fear decide your fate....
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    Quote Originally Posted by scaredoftests View Post
    IMHO, cheaters lose out in the end. Some are caught when they have no idea what you are talking about and can't do tasks they are certified in.
    They really do especially if you make a career out of it. Like others have mentioned, if you have to get security + to maintain your job and dump it chances are you won't feel the negative impact, (not that I condone this). But some folks do nothing but dump, dump and dump.

    I've managed several people where I had strong suspicions. I don't personally care as long as they can deliver, they have to live with themselves.
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    You are right in most of this point, but I don't think those successful people don't deserve what they achieved, the only thing is I feel lost, in short, I have lived most of my life in my original country and I worked hard to nail the position in one of the largest organizations, I used to earn double what I used to spend, the job security was somehow high, but the country overall situation was awful and getting worse, back there staying alive at the end of the day considered an achievement, and I have had the chance to move to the US, and I did'tit, and then I discovered that my knowledge is not matching or is not aligned with my age, and here where the struggle began..

    I am pursuing the Certification because I haven't had the chance to work in a real datacenter or so, sometimes I think that my lack with communication skills (my limited English language) what holding me back in my career and I tried everything to improve it but the improvement is so slow.
    I understand where you are coming from. I've met other people like you that were doing well in their homelands and moved to the US to end up feeling demoted. Since you come from an environment where staying alive was an achievement I would say you still winning. You may not be where you want to be professionally and financially, but considering your circumstances I would say you are successful.

    The language barrier can definitely be a setback, but not an ultimate roadblock that you cannot get around. Keep working on your tech skills and English while networking and looking into new opportunities. You may not get exactly where you want to be, but I believe you will end up further than you are now.
    "You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try." - Homer Simpson
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    Legality: Dump websites are infringing on the certification owner’s copyright by distributing copies of the exam without their permission. Whether this is legal or not legal probably has to do a lot with the location. Whether it’s prosecuted is a completely different story. It’s kind of like people torrenting doftware, music, books, etc. At the end of the day, depending on where you live, you’re breaking copyright laws.

    I definitely think less of people who use dumps especially if they pride themselves on personal integrity, character, religion, or anything else which goes against cheating, being dishonest, lying, etc. I may not say anything when I see dump material on someone’s computer or overhear them talking about using dumps, but I immediately lose a lot of respect for them.

    For people who say dumping only impacts the dumpers, this is wrong because one of the justufications Cisco gave for increasing exam prices was directly related to dumping causing increased costs.
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    IMO - brain dumps create paper tigers. A new IT person is easy to spot out. A new IT person that turns out to be a paper tiger might as well start looking for jobs in other professions.

    Someone isn't doing them-self any favors if they get a job because of an undeserved cert, and then pigeon hole them-self because they suck at their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas_ View Post
    For people who say dumping only impacts the dumpers, this is wrong because one of the justufications Cisco gave for increasing exam prices was directly related to dumping causing increased costs.
    That was just an excuse for them to increase prices, Microsoft did the same a few years ago. It was down to greed, nothing else.
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