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    Are these changes retroactive or only for people who have obtained a cert after January 1st?
    Retroactive
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    So If I'm reading this right, I think my Net+ is now officially expired, and Sec+ in June...I wonder how this works with Microsoft's elective credits towards MCSE/MCSA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamik View Post
    Are these changes retroactive or only for people who have obtained a cert after January 1st?
    According to CompTIA, it's retroactive, but my transcript still says my certs never expire. We'll have to see what they do, they might change their minds after there's enough backlash from the existing cert-holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snadam View Post
    So If I'm reading this right, I think my Net+ is now officially expired, and Sec+ in June...I wonder how this works with Microsoft's elective credits towards MCSE/MCSA?
    No.

    If you guys haven't gone to the website, go there.
    It details this alot more.

    And it also has a chart that shows when your certs expire based on the test version you took/year obtained. I believe the earliest is Dec 31, 2011. So they are giving everyone atleast 2 full years to recertify their entry level certs.
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    Just checked my CompTIA exam history and it shows Never for each exam, under the Expires heading.
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    I will still pursue my A+, Network+, and Security+, but Comptia has lost my trust. I need these certifications so that I can gain knowledge and demonstrate to an employer that I am employable. Just like everyone else has said, the selling point for these exams has always been that there has been a presumption that these exams would never expire!! I have never ever seen a job posting asking for a current A+, Network+, Security+ certification, so renewing them every three years seems a little ridiculous to me. Besides I have seen more job postings asking for Microsoft or Cisco certs than Comptia ones.
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    No.

    If you guys haven't gone to the website, go there.
    It details this alot more.

    And it also has a chart that shows when your certs expire based on the test version you took/year obtained. I believe the earliest is Dec 31, 2011. So they are giving everyone atleast 2 full years to recertify their entry level certs.

    Actually, I did go to the website yesterday. It wasn't very clear. After some further digging this morning, that How is my cert affected PDF cleared up any questions I had. Why they don't just put that on the page itself is beyond me.

    I was basing my expiration dates of these paragraphs.

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    The new certification renewal policy is applicable to all individuals who hold CompTIA A+, CompTIA Network+ or CompTIA Security+ certifications, regardless of the date they were certified. Other CompTIA certifications are not affected at this time.

    Beginning January 1, 2010, a “Valid Through” date appears on all certificates and certificate holder ID cards for individuals who earn CompTIA A+, CompTIA Network+ or CompTIA Security+. The date is three years from the date of certification.
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    #58
    I have emailed CompTIA stating my great displeasure in this new policy shift, that I will never take steps to renew my present certification, and I will not pursue any new certifications. I hope that thousands of others are also doing this.

    Also, I will never renew my yearly membership in IT Professional site, and I let them know that too. Besides, there has been nothing new added to that site for a long long time.

    I think we have been betrayed--stabbed in the back.
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    It took me awhile to digest this. There seems to be more than initially meets the eye. I'm most interested in Security+ so here's what I see related to Security+.

    If you certified with the older exam (SY0-101) available before July 31 2009, you will need to retake an exam by December 2011 to stay certified.
    • You can take the SY0-201 exam (100 questions, passing score 750, $258 US)
    • Or you can take the BR-001 bridge exam (50 questions, passing score 560, $190 US)
    If you passed the SY0-201 exam, you can keep the certification valid by submitting continuing education credits.
    • If you passed the SY0-201 exam in 2009 (say in December 2009), you have until December 2011 to submit the credits.
    • If you passed the SY0-201 exam in 2010 or later, you have three years from the date of your exam.
    I thought it was cool that Veritas actually called CompTIA for some answers.

    Interestingly, CompTIA says that Microsoft does the same thing, but Microsoft doesn't. When Microsoft first unveiled the MCITP certifications they announced a policy indicating the certifications will expire after three years, but after some noise and complaints, Microsoft changed their mind. Certifications may retire since the technology is no longer valid but my MCSE on NT 4.0 is as valid as my MCSE on Windows Server 2003 and my MCITP on Windows Server 2008. The only difference is that not many people care that I'm an MCSE on NT 4.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darril View Post
    It took me awhile to digest this. There seems to be more than initially meets the eye. I'm most interested in Security+ so here's what I see related to Security+.

    If you certified with the older exam (SY0-101) available before July 31 2009, you will need to retake an exam by December 2011 to stay certified.
    • You can take the SY0-201 exam (100 questions, passing score 750, $258 US)
    • Or you can take the BR-001 bridge exam (50 questions, passing score 560, $190 US)
    If you passed the SY0-201 exam, you can keep the certification valid by submitting continuing education credits.
    • If you passed the SY0-201 exam in 2009 (say in December 2009), you have until December 2011 to submit the credits.
    • If you passed the SY0-201 exam in 2010 or later, you have three years from the date of your exam.
    I thought it was cool that Veritas actually called CompTIA for some answers.

    Interestingly, CompTIA says that Microsoft does the same thing, but Microsoft doesn't. When Microsoft first unveiled the MCITP certifications they announced a policy indicating the certifications will expire after three years, but after some noise and complaints, Microsoft changed their mind. Certifications may retire since the technology is no longer valid but my MCSE on NT 4.0 is as valid as my MCSE on Windows Server 2003 and my MCITP on Windows Server 2008. The only difference is that not many people care that I'm an MCSE on NT 4.0.

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    Anything about Sec+ renewing A+/N+ as well? Or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RouteThisWay View Post
    Anything about Sec+ renewing A+/N+ as well? Or no?
    I talked to them, and indeed the Security+ updates everything under it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RouteThisWay View Post
    Anything about Sec+ renewing A+/N+ as well? Or no?
    The way I read press release, if you renew the highest level cert that you hold and the lower ones will renew as well. The hierarchy goes Sec+, N+, and then A+.

    I understand Comptia trying to stay fresh, but not on the backs of all of us that have the Lifetime Certs. It BS plain and simple!
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    Quote Originally Posted by veritas_libertas View Post
    I talked to them, and indeed the Security+ updates everything under it.
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    What about Server+ and all the others?
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    Well I just filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau regarding CompTIA. Probably won't help but at least I feel better.
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    What about Server+ and all the others?
    Safe...for the moment. We didn't think the other 3 would ever expire but now they do. It's only a matter of time before they all do IMO.
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    I'm shocked they didn't expect a bigger backlash. Re-certifying entry level certs
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    Somehow I missed the post about the annual $49 maintenance fee. I think I'm just going to let these lapse. I'll pay the $225 or whatever if I ever need it again for any reason; that'll save me in the long run.

    The plan for CECs is ridiculous. You need 50 to renew the Security+, and they only give you 20 for writing a book. Somehow taking another relevant certification is worth twice that, which is still only 40. It's good to know that if I do the CISSP this year, it will cover 80% of what I need to validate my knowledge of Security+ material
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    Originally Posted by wd40
    What about Server+ and all the others?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norbie View Post
    Safe...for the moment. We didn't think the other 3 would ever expire but now they do. It's only a matter of time before they all do IMO.
    I think the link with A+, Network+, and Security+ was directly related to the US Department of Defense Directive (DoD) 8570.1M that requires IT professionals to be certified at different levels with different certs.

    The only three CompTIA certs mentioned and required in DoD 8570 are A+, Network+, and Security+. This is probably why they have been targeted for change and the others haven't.

    Other certs cited in this document like CISSP and the GIAC certs are ISO/IEC 17024 certified. Likewise, only A+, Network+, and Security+ certs are ISO certified.

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    Somehow I missed the post about the annual $49 maintenance fee. I think I'm just going to let these lapse.
    It's only every 3 years.
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    It says annual. That's how (ISC)2 does it as well (except I could justify that for a CISSP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamik View Post
    It says annual. That's how (ISC)2 does it as well (except I could justify that for a CISSP).
    If so than that is a new change. I just talked to them yesterday, then again I guess they could change it in 24hrs.
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    He quoted the faq: CompTIA Certification Renewal Policy

    It's clearly stated as an annual fee.
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    I think their just starting with the 3 certs, but when they see how much money it could bring in, it'll be changed on all of their certs! I don't have a problem with that but all of us with certs should be grandfathered in.

    A class action lawsuit will come from this. **** I'm thinking about taking them to small claims court here in NC for breach of contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamik View Post
    He quoted the faq: CompTIA Certification Renewal Policy

    It's clearly stated as an annual fee.
    It's just for the CEU, if you just take the newest test (beta) then you don't have to bother with it. But why is N+, and Sec+ twice as much as A+?

    Is there a cost associated with the certification renewal program?

    Participants will pay an annual maintenance fee of $25 if they are CompTIA A+ certified, or $49 if they are CompTIA Network+ or CompTIA Security+ certified. Payment of this annual fee will be required the first time each year you access the continuing education system. Only electronic payments will be accepted.
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