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    Microsoft Reinvents Certification Program Aligning to the Cloud - PR Newswire - The Sacramento Bee

    Newspaper article about reinventing itself and realigning with the cloud.
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    Wait, I'm kind of lost here. What's more confusing is that the MCSA ( Solutions Associate - MCSA: Windows Server 2008 ) is also back, but it has the exact same certification path as MCITP: Server 2008 Server Admin?? 640+642+646. Are they killing off MCITP: Server Admin 2008?


    The new MSCE covers & falls under Private Cloud technology, but requires the MCSA (new) as a prerequisite. So that would mean MCITP: EA is staying? What is up with MS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asif Dasl View Post
    LOL same here...

    This is soooo funny - I can't make head nor tail of this! MCITP is now MCSA? MCTS is now MCSA too? and MCSE is now cloud and the others are staying around too... WTF!

    Don't even get me started on the Office certs.
    I have the 2007 MCAS errrrr MOS errrr whatever the heck it is. I know all about it!
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    So MCITP:SA = MCSA but MCITP:EA is unchanged? So confused, lol
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    I prefer they change the names to:

    Windows Technology Frontier

    Windows Technology Hacker
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDMurray View Post
    It's all about branding. Years ago, the MS cert marketing group probably decided that the reputation of "MCSE" was too degraded by its past history and created the (horrible acronym) "MCITP" to replace it. Now, the same marketing group with new people has decided that "MCSE" does have positive brand recognition and will re-adopt it for a new family of certifications. They're hoping to get heads swiveling and nodding.
    A big part of it is the fact that they got sued over using the term "engineer" in Quebec.

    Not that Quebec (or, for that matter, Canada) is a big enough market to make MS do that much, but the controversy over the word "engineer" was definitely a factor.

    I have no problem with the MCITP nomenclature, but I wish they'd just done this years ago. All they had to do was change one word and that would have been solved. Now employers and test takers will be, once again, confused as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpatt100 View Post
    I prefer they change the names to:

    Windows Technology Frontier

    Windows Technology Hacker
    I see what you did there...
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    Still not liking the "private cloud" being in the title of a cert.
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    They have updated some stuff on the MCITP page.

    MCITP certifications will not be updated for future versions of Microsoft products. In most cases, as an MCITP, you will be eligible for special upgrade paths to new Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert (MCSE) certifications. Microsoft Certified Solution Expert (MCSE) is focused on an experienced professional’s ability to design and build technology solutions in the cloud and on premise.
    Your MCITP certification will remain valuable as long as companies are using the technology on which it certifies.
    Q. Does MCSA equate to MCITP: Server Administrator and does MCSE equate to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator?


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    No, not exactly. The MCITP on Windows Server 2008 certification requires a new skill set—in some cases, a more robust one—that differs from the skill set needed for MCSA and MCSE certifications.
    • MCITP: Server Administrator certification covers more operations-related job skills than the MCSA certification.
    • MCITP: Enterprise Administrator maps to an actual job role profile, whereas the MCSE certification does not. The latter combines technology and job skills.

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    It should be MCSEEEAEETMCUWITF:

    Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert, Engineer, Evangelist, And Everything Else They May Come Up With In The Future.
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    The only thing I can see for certain is that we will probably be bent over by Microsoft... I was interested in learning SQL 2012 but then I saw it took 5 exams and if I am reading this right then I might need the MCSE for MCSE SQL 2012... but I could be reading that totally wrong. Now if SQL was 5 exams I dread to think how many exams the others will be. I think I'll let it settle for a while and see what horrific mess it turns out to be in the end.
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    Q. Expert-level certifications don't include a product version number. How will I show what product versions my certification covers?

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    Your transcript has a section that shows all the exams you have passed. Each exam title will include the technology version in the name.
    Have to role my eyes a bit at that. From now on, whenever I see MCSA or MCSE on a resume, I'll be comfortable in knowing it can be one of four different certifications spanning over a decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobylspoon View Post
    So MCITP:SA = MCSA but MCITP:EA is unchanged? So confused, lol
    This is what I noticed, now you have similar certifications, one which is supposed to demonstrate a higher level of expertise with two complete different naming schemes. But I would think another change is coming. As MCSE has certs for MCSE: Private Cloud and MCSE: SQL Server 2012 --- so I predict a MCSE: Enterprise version for Server 8 / Server 2008 in the future.

    You will continue to earn an MCTS for passing Exams 70-640 and 70-642 until April 2013. Until April 2013, when you earn an MCSA: Windows Server 2008 certification, you will also receive the MCITP: Server Administrator certification. After April 2013, the MCITP: Server Administrator certification will be discontinued.
    Also looks like anyone receiving the MCITP: Server Admin 2008 within the next year could claim 2 certs LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberguypr View Post
    It should be MCSEEEAEETMCUWITF:

    Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert, Engineer, Evangelist, And Everything Else They May Come Up With In The Future.
    Just give up on Microsoft certs, go after the Oracle Management Generalist cert instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptilsen View Post
    Have to role my eyes a bit at that. From now on, whenever I see MCSA or MCSE on a resume, I'll be comfortable in knowing it can be one of four different certifications spanning over a decade.
    I make a note of what OS versions on my resume, I don't try to b.s. my way in. If it gets old I just drop the cert off all together.
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    WTF! It's not like MCITP:SA and MCITP:EA are hard enough to get used to, now we have to clarify which MCSE and MCSA? Argh!
    If someone has a MCSE from the NT 4.0 days wants a job dealing with Active Directory, you bet I'd want clarification.....[earned during the hey days of the MCSE making six-figure salaries....]
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    MCITP: Server Administrator certification covers more operations-related job skills than the MCSA certification.
    How could they makes this statement when they've posted the exact same cert path? Or do they mean MCSA (Server 2003) and not the new MCSA (Server 2008 Admin)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by erpadmin View Post
    If someone has a MCSE from the NT 4.0 days wants a job dealing with Active Directory, you bet I'd want clarification.....[earned during the hey days of the MCSE making six-figure salaries....]
    I've been given business cards with MCSE on it, not an OS mentioned on it.. you'd have to ask, but MCSE is enough for a lot of people - it should be straight forward but it's not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobylspoon View Post
    They have updated some stuff on the MCITP page.
    Those are actually old and MCSA and MCSE in those quotes refer to the original titles or administrator and engineer. I remember quoting the same text on TE in 2008/2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asif Dasl View Post
    The only thing I can see for certain is that we will probably be bent over by Microsoft... I was interested in learning SQL 2012 but then I saw it took 5 exams and if I am reading this right then I might need the MCSE for MCSE SQL 2012... but I could be reading that totally wrong. Now if SQL was 5 exams I dread to think how many exams the others will be. I think I'll let it settle for a while and see what horrific mess it turns out to be in the end.
    I'm with you; I'm so confused right now that I'm just waiting until the dust settles so I can actually see what has really changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asif Dasl View Post
    This is soooo funny - I can't make head nor tail of this! MCITP is now MCSA? MCTS is now MCSA too? and MCSE is now cloud and the others are staying around too... WTF!
    Just remember this:

    Who's on First.
    What's on Second.
    On Third is I Don't Know.

    [This will probably be lost on you for a myriad of reasons, but others will get it.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2IT View Post
    Certification Overview

    MCSE SQL and MCSE Private Cloud?

    It looks like MS is pulling a MOS to MCAS back to MOS again, but this time on the technology side.

    Interesting that the certifications will be once again called MCSE. This is great news and I am excited to see this!

    I find it weird though they refer to the 2008 server path as the MCSE 2008. Do you think they will do a mid lifecycle name change like they did with MS 2007 office suite? Microsoft Certified Application Specialist back to Microsoft Office Specialist.

    Interesting and enjoy


    It looks like the MCITP:SA is now the MCSA 2008 MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification

    Go get you SUM new certz
    Interesting…

    The big problem with is that I don’t see a lot of companies embracing “Cloud Technology”….
    Is SQL server 2012 only in the cloud? Does Microsoft charge money for you to use their cloud based services?

    All this cloud stuff is confusing.

    I guess the second shot won’t be around this year, since Microsoft is promoting this deal

    https://www.bsf01.com/creatives/prom...rOne_Home.aspx

    What’s the difference between a MTCIP server 2008 and MCSA?

    MCSA: The foundation for your career in IT

    Is MCSA a cloud based exam?

    All of this is so confusing…

    MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertKaucher View Post
    Those are actually old and MCSA and MCSE in those quotes refer to the original titles or administrator and engineer. I remember quoting the same text on TE in 2008/2009.
    No, that is new. It says "...upgrade paths to new Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert (MCSE) certifications."

    The old MCSE was not "Solutions Expert"
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    Just remember this:

    Who's on First.
    What's on Second.
    On Third is I Don't Know.

    [This will probably be lost on you for a myriad of reasons, but others will get it.]
    We're talking baseball right? LOL But you are correct, I half get it!

    Is this what we are talking about? LOL
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    I am probably going to hit the "Cloud" cert path eventually once I get the MCSA (new done). Might help as a keyword buzzword on the job boards, who knows.
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