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    Just give up on Microsoft certs, go after the Oracle Management Generalist cert instead.
    Or go for the MCM.
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    Now I'm confused. Who am I? What am I?
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    Now I'm confused. Who am I? What am I?
    You are the chosen one, we call you Neo.
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    You are the chosen one, we call you Neo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkingStudent View Post
    Interesting…

    The big problem with is that I don’t see a lot of companies embracing “Cloud Technology”….
    Is SQL server 2012 only in the cloud? Does Microsoft charge money for you to use their cloud based services?

    All this cloud stuff is confusing.

    I guess the second shot won’t be around this year, since Microsoft is promoting this deal

    https://www.bsf01.com/creatives/prom...rOne_Home.aspx

    What’s the difference between a MTCIP server 2008 and MCSA?

    MCSA: The foundation for your career in IT

    Is MCSA a cloud based exam?

    All of this is so confusing…

    MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification
    MCSA: Server Admin 2008 is equal to MCITP: Server Admin 2008
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    We're talking baseball right? LOL But you are correct, I half get it!

    Is this what we are talking about? LOL
    That gag is so popular and old, I figured Google would help you out with that, but yeah that's it.

    I was mindful enough to mention that last bit because you're not on this side of the pond and might not get the baseball reference. But it's more about the basemen's names than anything else....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberguypr View Post
    Or go for the MCM.
    Looks like that is changing to MCSM though... and that still has these certs as prerequisites.
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    Ok, I've looked at the Microsoft cert link, plus looked at my transcripts.

    What will end up happening to the EA cert? From what I have garnered, it would appear that it stands by itself.

    It looks like the MCSA 2K8 (formerly the cert known as MCITP:SA) will be a precursor to the MCSE "Private Cloud" which will require two cloud exams to earn the MCSE.

    Sounds like earning the EA would have been a waste of time. F--- what Microsoft states officially; this was done so that people can still hire MCSE (whatever the ---- it means then and now) and keep the letters as they are so popular within IT certification circles. In fact, the MCSE is more popular than the CCIE (in terms of name recognition.)

    What do you guys think?
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    I would feel much better about this name change if they would start up the Second Shot stuff again as a peace offering. Actually I couldn't care less about the name, just start Second Shot again MS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by erpadmin View Post
    That gag is so popular and old, I figured Google would help you out with that, but yeah that's it.

    I was mindful enough to mention that last bit because you're not on this side of the pond and might not get the baseball reference. But it's more about the basemen's names than anything else....
    I've come across another one like that I can't find it.. it was based on Chinese people's names.. not racist or anything just played on the confusion of the peoples names. It was probably copied off that though - thanks for the laugh, it sums up the situation very aptly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arwes View Post
    I would feel much better about this name change if they would start up the Second Shot stuff again as a peace offering. Actually I couldn't care less about the name, just start Second Shot again MS!
    No second shot for now...just a two for one

    https://www.bsf01.com/creatives/prom...rOne_Home.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkingStudent View Post
    No second shot for now...just a two for one

    https://www.bsf01.com/creatives/prom...rOne_Home.aspx
    This is the thing that worries me about a bunch of exams coming down the line... on one hand it looks like they are being nice, the other they hit you with way more exams than you had to take before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erpadmin View Post
    Ok, I've looked at the Microsoft cert link, plus looked at my transcripts.

    What will end up happening to the EA cert? From what I have garnered, it would appear that it stands by itself.

    It looks like the MCSA 2K8 (formerly the cert known as MCITP:SA) will be a precursor to the MCSE "Private Cloud" which will require two cloud exams to earn the MCSE.

    Sounds like earning the EA would have been a waste of time. F--- what Microsoft states officially; this was done so that people can still hire MCSE (whatever the ---- it means then and now) and keep the letters as they are so popular within IT certification circles. In fact, the MCSE is more popular than the CCIE (in terms of name recognition.)

    What do you guys think?
    From what I understand, "MCSE" will indicate the 2nd highest (Associate - Expert - Master) knowledge level of various technologies. Microsoft already lists 2 separate MCSE's. One for SQL Server 2012 & another for Private Cloud Computing. But then again, Microsoft lists all these new titles under "Cloud built" certs, but I think that may be a badly designed chart (or I'm not understanding it) as the MCSA has nothing to do with the clouds technology, it's the same as the current MCITP: Server Admin 2008
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    Looks like that is changing to MCSM though... and that still has these certs as prerequisites.
    DANG! That's it. Going to Oracle then.
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    In my opinion, the purpose of the title change is to separate the certifications that will need renewal.

    All the "new" MCSE certifications will require a recertification test every 3 years to keep it active.
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    So if I understand this correctly:

    MCTS: No change
    MCITP:SA will now become MCSA Windows 2008
    MCITP:EA nothing changes
    MCSA (artist formerly known as MCITP:SA) + 2 tests = MCSE 2008

    So if you go from MCITP:SA to MCSA 2008 I'm guessing our MCP profile will eventually be updated?

    Update: So apparently on the Microsoft Learning Forums someone posted they contacted their Regional Service Center and it was confirmed (if you believe everything you read on the internetz) that MCITP:SA will become MCSA 2008 since the requirements have been met. They (Microsoft Learning) is working on updating the transcripts. You may want to download a .pdf of your certificates now before they are changed and get even more confusing.
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    So...not even an upgrade exam for an EA? That bites like no other...even MCSE 2K3 can upgrade to an EA.

    The EA is basically going to end up a forgetten cert! Basically, one has to take the SA exam (which in truth I would have done at some point) plus two exams to obtain the MCSE.

    In a way, that's kind of good, because all newbies want is an MCSE anyway.....it's the letters, not the meaning that they're after. They can truthfully say they're an MCSE on the resume and PLUS not waste time chasing what will be an antiquated cert (MCSE 2K3).

    Well played, Microsoft....well played. I'm kind of pissed off that now I'll have to spend some time on obtaining this cert, but I will finally obtain my goal of getting an the letters MCSE on my resume.
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    Now I don't know what the hell cert to upgrade to, thanks Microsoft.
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    MCSE Private Cloud.. i can hear $$ signs when i think about it
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    Right I think I've got this now...

    As far as I can make it out, they are restructuring the titles BEFORE Server 2012 comes out. The diagram makes it look as if there is OnPrem & Cloud exams but it is just confusing.

    MCTS & MCITP:EA & VA are all going away - they will be phased out altogether, but will be listed on your transcript as long as the technology is supported, after that it will be marked as legacy.

    MCP - this is the way to describe passing one exam again.

    Until April 2013 you will continue to earn MCTS for exams - if you achieve MCITP:SA then you will also be given the MCSA: Windows Server 2008 title. After April 2013 you will only be given MCSA: Windows Server 2008.

    If you have MCITP:SA/MCSA 2008 and if you take 70-246 & 70-247 (or alternatively you can use 70-659) you gain the MCSE: Private Cloud title.

    If you take 70-461, 70-462, 70-463 that will give you the MCSA: SQL Server 2012 title.
    If you take 70-464, 70-465 on top of MCSA: SQL Server 2012 then that will give you the MCSE: Data Platform title.
    If you take 70-466, 70-467 on top of MCSA: SQL Server 2012 then that will give you the MCSE: Business Intelligence title.

    MCSA: Windows Server 2012 - there will be new exams for this when Server 2012 is released.
    MCSE: Windows Server 2012 - there will be exams which build on MCSA: Windows Server 2012 when Server 2012 is released.

    This is how I understand it, if it changes then I will edit or delete this post.

    I really thought the sloppy launch of SQL 2012 was a one off, but this is just as bad. Apple doesn't do these kinds of launches.
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    Good thing I took my 70-646 and passed a few days ago I'll be all over the new MCSE with only having to take two test but I'm still going to finish the MCITP-EA it's still going to carry allot of weight for years to come.
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    I still don't understand, does the MCITP:SA get converted to the MCSA 2008?
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    If you have MCITP:SA/MCSA 2008 and if you take 70-246 & 70-247 (or alternatively you can use 70-659) you gain the MCSE: Private Cloud title.
    You will still have to take the 70-246. But what they're saying is if you take the 70-659, prior to the aforementioned date, it can take the place of the 70-247. Otherwise, starting February 1, 2013, you will have to take the 70-247 only. But the 70-659 doesn't take the place of both.
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    I still don't understand, does the MCITP:SA get converted to the MCSA 2008?
    Microsoft going back to the MCSE title for 2012 technology??? Private Cloud and SQL

    It would appear so, but it won't be reflected in the transcripts for awhile.
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