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    Default Microsoft going back to the MCSE title for 2012 technology??? Private Cloud and SQL

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    MCSE SQL and MCSE Private Cloud?

    It looks like MS is pulling a MOS to MCAS back to MOS again, but this time on the technology side.

    Interesting that the certifications will be once again called MCSE. This is great news and I am excited to see this!

    I find it weird though they refer to the 2008 server path as the MCSE 2008. Do you think they will do a mid lifecycle name change like they did with MS 2007 office suite? Microsoft Certified Application Specialist back to Microsoft Office Specialist.

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    It looks like the MCITP:SA is now the MCSA 2008 http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en...rver-mcsa.aspx

    Go get you SUM new certz
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    Default New Certs from Microsoft

    Got an email from Prometric this morning, detailing new certs that Microsoft reinvented.

    MCSA: Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate
    MCSE: Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert

    hmmm..that won't confuse anybody
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    wow...whoever at Microsoft thought this naming scheme was a good idea should quit and hang themselves. What a fail.
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    When I first read this, I thought for sure that this was a very well thought out ***** attempt.

    Alas, it is true. I was actually starting to have an appreciation for the MS certs since they increased the difficulty, but this knocks them down a few pegs.
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    There must have been a reason for this. I'd like to think that M$ isn't the type to just "do stuff" without thinking about it.
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    Did it give any more details about the certs? Maybe this is their response to everyone's complaints about replacing the well-known MCSE/MCSA abbreviations with the much lesser known MCITP.
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    I had posted some information earlier on some changes. It looks like the MCITP could be changing to the MCSE 2008

    Here is my original link Microsoft going back to the MCSE title for 2012 technology??? Private Cloud and SQL
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    Quote Originally Posted by N2IT View Post
    I had posted some information earlier on some changes. It looks like the MCITP could be changing to the MCSE 2008

    Here is my original link Microsoft going back to the MCSE title for 2012 technology??? Private Cloud and SQL
    Thanks for the info! I am actually very excited to see that the well known and respected MCSE/MCSA abbreviations are being used, this makes me want to get the MCITP (well, MCSE 2008 now) so much more.
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    WTF! It's not like MCITP:SA and MCITP:EA are hard enough to get used to, now we have to clarify which MCSE and MCSA? Argh!
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    WTF! It's not like MCITP:SA and MCITP:EA are hard enough to get used to, now we have to clarify which MCSE and MCSA? Argh!
    I think putting 2003 or 2008 after it would clear it up pretty easily, I think that will become the norm. I wonder then if they are going to change MCTS to MCP again?
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    Oh man.. that is so funny. I know there was a big debate about Microsoft using the "Engineer" title when people had not gone through years of college like a traditional engineer would and that it devalued their field of education.

    Most jobs are asking for MCSE and there probably hasn't been a significant changeover so they changed the words to mean something different and everything will stay the same. The only problem with this, now people with NT4 MCSEs can strut around again with their 15+ year old certification.
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    Take note that the MCSE and MCSA acronyms are different.

    Old MCSE = Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer

    Old MCSA = Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator

    New MCSE = Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert

    New MCSA = Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate

    Same letters, different meanings.
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    So actually it looks like MCITP isn't being renamed.. these are just new certs. In that case, this seems pretty stupid. At first I thought they were renaming the MCITP to MCSE again.. The new certs are all about the cloud...
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    Maybe technicially but look at the MCSA 2008, my last link. The same test for the SA. There is going to be a name change mid lifecycle.
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    Also check out the FAQ...


    Q. Why are you changing the Microsoft Certification Program and what are the key changes?

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    We reinvented our certifications to maintain their market relevance as the industry shifts to the cloud. Microsoft Certifications now validate broader and deeper skills required to build solutions on-premise or in the cloud. We added recertification requirements to ensure that IT professionals and developers who hold our certifications are up-to-date on our continually evolving technology.
    Learn about the changes
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    Q. Why did you change the name of Microsoft Certifications?

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    The names—Microsoft Certified Solutions Associate (MCSA), Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert (MCSE), Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer (MCSD), and Microsoft Certified Solutions Master (MCSM) were changed to better reflect the experience, knowledge, and skills that IT professionals and developers need to build and manage technology solutions that may include multiple technologies, whether on-premise or in the cloud.
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    Nice follow up! Interesting turn of events. This is not uncommon for Microsoft though. It happened with the MCAS as well.
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    MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification

    Not according to this link. 2008 technology labeled as MCSA 2008
    Hmm.. Is MCITP:EA being changed too? I'm just kind of confused because the link you reference indicates they are changing it but the rest of the site seems to indicate that there's still a MCITP:SA cert. (MCITP (Microsoft Certified IT Professional) | Training Courses for IT Professionals)
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    Oh man! Definitely a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment. Just when I convinced everyone that MCITP nomenclature was cool. HAHA!

    The problem will now be everyone calling is MC Systems Engineer instead MC Solutions Expert.

    Quote Originally Posted by tr1x View Post
    Hmm.. Is MCITP:EA being changed too? I'm just kind of confused because the link you reference indicates they are changing it but the rest of the site seems to indicate that there's still a MCITP:SA cert. (MCITP (Microsoft Certified IT Professional) | Training Courses for IT Professionals)
    Wondering about that. According to the new thing I'm an MCSA but my transcript doesn't show that. I don't even know what I am anymore. I'm losing my M$ identity.
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    Oh man this is so f**ked-up, everything is just a jumbled up mess of alphabet soup... am I reading this right that MCITP is staying around for "OnPrem" and that MCSE is coming back for "Cloud" services - which probably means Active Directory will now be hosted in the cloud?

    If so this is a nightmare.
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    LOL @ Cyber

    Good stuff, I cracked up!
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    MCSA: Windows Server 2008 Certification

    It looks like the 2008 MCITP is going to MCSA 2008. ***Note those are the same test for the SA now called the MCSA 2008
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    It's all about branding. Years ago, the MS cert marketing group probably decided that the reputation of "MCSE" was too degraded by its past history and created the (horrible acronym) "MCITP" to replace it. Now, the same marketing group with new people has decided that "MCSE" does have positive brand recognition and will re-adopt it for a new family of certifications. They're hoping to get heads swiveling and nodding.

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    I guess I am a geek. This name change has me all excited. I'm not even paying attention to my work
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    I guess I am a geek. This name change has me all excited. I'm not even paying attention to my work
    LOL same here...

    This is soooo funny - I can't make head nor tail of this! MCITP is now MCSA? MCTS is now MCSA too? and MCSE is now cloud and the others are staying around too... WTF!

    Don't even get me started on the Office certs.
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    Apparently you now have to recertify more often.

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