ITIL V3 Intermediate Online Learning Provider Query

OVOCO5 · 01-15-2010, 11:08 PM

Hi All,

This is a brief history of my ITIL course provider qualification journey :

ITIL foundation – Taken with Purple Griffin ( office based)
ITIL Intermediate SOA– Taken with Global Knowledge/Fox IT (office based)
ITIL Intermediate – SO – Taken with an online provider ITSM solutions (online based).

So far I’ve been impressed with all the above providers most notably GK and ITSM Solutions.

I’ve recently had an opportunity to join an “ITIL 100 Experts Program” the idea behind this is to join an online program of people around the world who will all work towards the ITIL expert qualification together in roughly 18 months. This will be hosted online with a company called The ITIL Training Zone.

I’d like to know if anyone in this forum have used them and their personal thoughts and experiences about using them for training, such as quality of materials i.e. video and pace of course and would they recommend them?

Thanks

G

eMeS · 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OVOCO5

Hi All,

This is a brief history of my ITIL course provider qualification journey :

ITIL foundation – Taken with Purple Griffin ( office based)
ITIL Intermediate SOA– Taken with Global Knowledge/Fox IT (office based)
ITIL Intermediate – SO – Taken with an online provider ITSM solutions (online based).

So far I’ve been impressed with all the above providers most notably GK and ITSM Solutions.

I’ve recently had an opportunity to join an “ITIL 100 Experts Program” the idea behind this is to join an online program of people around the world who will all work towards the ITIL expert qualification together in roughly 18 months. This will be hosted online with a company called The ITIL Training Zone.

I’d like to know if anyone in this forum have used them and their personal thoughts and experiences about using them for training, such as quality of materials i.e. video and pace of course and would they recommend them?

Thanks

G

I've never heard of them. That doesn't mean much...there are many springing up everyday that are solely in the business of training. Some are better than others.

I can tell you that for people pursuing the Expert qualification my informed opinion is that online training most likely makes them paper experts. Many of the people becoming ITIL Experts couldn't service manage themselves out of a paper bag. Ultimately this will kill any value that ITIL might have had. I feel that in the coming years OGC will have to clamp down on this, much as Cisco did with their certification program.

Nothing against any of the online providers, but I've seen a lot of the products and they in no way match what you get out of the in-person classroom experience from many of the big players (HP, GK, Pink, etc...) that are using instructors that are actual practitioners with actual experience in the field.

Sadly, my opinion is that they've made ITIL Expert much too easy to get. Really all it is now is a series of exams that must be passed. Back in ITIL v2, if someone held the ITIL Manager's Certificate you could be assured that they knew the material inside-out, and that they had actual experience in the field because there were at the time verified experience requirements.

Hopefully the new ITIL Master certification, when released, will be as difficult to achieve as the v2 Manager's certificate was.

MS

OVOCO5 · 01-16-2010, 09:33 AM

Hi MS,

Thanks for your reply. I completely agree that class room training is more beneficial in terms of real world examples and of course you get to meet peers from other companies for further experiences. You could also argue the learnings are crammed into a few short days. Either way, both have their pros and cons.

I work in the ITSM industry and believe in the frame work ITIL has too offer, hence I wish to become an expert at it, even if it’s a paper name I want to be aware of it as best as I can.

The soul reason I’m taking the Online E-Learning avenue is due to budget constraints/economic climate at the firm I work for. If I went for ITIL Expert at class room level it would cost nearly £10.000 for the courses and even more to the firm as I’m not their. The course offered from The ITIL Training Zone is 20% of that cost and no cost to the firm in terms of time off work (both costs including exams).

I think it’s much easier to find out what class room based ITIL learning’s are good. People who have been taught by Pink or GK/Fox IT seem much more open about their learning experience. Where as I can’t find a guide to ITIL online learning anywhere which for a consumer is frustrating.

G

eMeS · 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OVOCO5

The soul reason I’m taking the Online E-Learning avenue is due to budget constraints/economic climate at the firm I work for. If I went for ITIL Expert at class room level it would cost nearly £10.000 for the courses and even more to the firm as I’m not their. The course offered from The ITIL Training Zone is 20% of that cost and no cost to the firm in terms of time off work (both costs including exams).

Please don't think I'm unnecessarily targeting you, but this line of reasoning makes very little sense to me. It's a lot like saying I know the best way to do something, but I don't have the time and the money to do it that way so I'm going to do it this other half-assed way.

Take the statement: "I know that my car needs gasoline to run, but I'm going to fill the tank with water and see what happens". The damage that would be caused and the inability to travel would ultimately cost more than the original expense. That's often the result of low-cost, online training solutions.

It's very similar to the argument that people often use in support of using exam dumps. That argument goes, "I know the right way to do this would be to work with the technology and study for the exam, but I don't have time for that so I'm going to go buy the exam questions and just study those."

The other thing that stands out to me about your reply is that you've mentioned the cost to the firm of your absence. That's a problem in my mind for anyone pursuing the ITIL Intermediate or Expert qualifications, as the syllabus clearly states the time commitment expected. It's clear that given the commitment required that it's impossible to also do your full-time job simultaneously. In my experience, people that try to complete these courses while maintaining full-time job commitments are the ones that contribute to the high failure rate at the intermediate and expert levels.

On another hand I'm supportive of this approach, since I make a ton of money delivering training for companies that have been burned by doing it the wrong way. I also do pretty well cleaning up behind paper experts that have "helped" organizations adopt ITIL best practices.

In any event, I think it's a dumb idea, but I wish you the best at it. Please report back on your experience.

MS

ITILTRAIN · 03-23-2010, 09:21 PM

Read between the lines on the ITIL Training Zone programs as the programs they are offfering are not yet built or accredited (I heard that APMG just changed the rules on the accrediation process for online products). The price they are offering is promotional in return for waiting for the products to be built. There are other suppliers in the online space that have had accredited products out for some time.

If you can wait and feel that what they are offering is OK for you then you should go for it. You should take the time to review each vendors product and do you own bake off before giving out your credit card.

In today's economy companies (especially small ones) are dropping like flies so you may not want to give them you money up front,...only give them a portion and as they release new products give them some more

hope this helps