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    Quote Originally Posted by EANx View Post
    I'm not suggesting you take a pay cut simply to move but sometimes you have to take a step or two backward in order to move a lot more forward. Back when the dot-com boom went bust, if I had held onto my old salary as the benchmark someone had to meet, I would still be unemployed. Instead, I took a pay cut. It didn't take long to make it up and now I'm in the right spot to move to an extremely highly-compensated role in a year or three. Keep your eye on the prize, whatever that is to you and don't be afraid to say "oops, this is a better path."
    I'm exactly doing that, I went to being the to go guy in a startup company, I was basically the manager, I built their entire network, router, switch, firewall, and a small NAS, ran cables, setup IP phones, help desk, anything related to IT. And now I'm help desk, but in a bigger company, and I'm making more money in a much smaller role, just for the sake of moving forward, now I can work with servers, network, cloud storage, citrix, stuff that I haven't worked with before.
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    Still here - recruiters reach out but phone calls end early when I tell them I make $19 an hour with opportunity for overtime on an entry level job....
    huh?
    Why would you ever tell a recruiter what you currently make?

    You should be telling them what you expect to make for the position they are trying to fill.


    And good lord Man;
    why haven't you gotten any certifications now; 10 months later?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneil3144 View Post
    Still here - recruiters reach out but phone calls end early when I tell them I make $19 an hour with opportunity for overtime on an entry level job....
    To get my foot in the door I went from a non-IT job at $25/hr to $16/hr in an entry level position. It took about 1 - 1 1/2 years and some job hopping to exceed $25/hr again.
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    #54
    Sounds like you're eager to make plans to get out, but not eager enough to follow through?

    WGU lets you select what courses you are working on. Hopefully you have put your certification classes to the front of the list and knock them out. If they try and tell you what courses you have to do, then you need to have a discussion with your mentor about it and stop letting them dictate what classes you do when. Unless you are trying to do something dumb like take a level 2 class before the level 1 class, they shouldn't care and you can tell them that. Get those certs knocked out man!

    At the start of my career I left an "IT Field Technician" role where i got to work on anything I wanted to go to a helpdesk job and be a good bit more restricted. Not sure what your reasoning is for being against helpdesk and/or call center support is, but I think if you polled everyone here, most of us have all had that job at the start of our careers and I personally wouldn't change that if I could. That was great exposure to a multitude of issues, drastically improves creativity with problem solving and troubleshooting without being able to physically lay hands on the machine, and allowed me to interact with tons of different teams within IT and learn how a structured IT department ran.

    If you are one of those people that think Helpdesk is "looked down upon" I think you need to reevaluate your attitude towards it and strongly consider the opportunity if one were to come your way. IT is still very much so a part of "paying your dues" in the crap work before you get to the stuff you enjoy doing. If you learn to play the game and get on top of self-training and certifying, you will literally get calls and emails constantly from recruiters, LinkedIn, Indeed, etc.

    Last but not least on job longevity. IT is very fluid and job jumps happen constantly, as long as you aren't seriously abusing it, don't get hung-up on how long you are at any specific company. Unless you are hoping every 3-6 months, most places don't tend to care if they see one or two short term jobs, they get it. You'll know when its time to leave.
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    Having worked in a school district for almost a decade all I can say is RUN!!! They want you to be seen which is counter to working on back end things like automation, updating, Active Directory, GPOs...etc you get the point. What we did was somewhat unorthodox. We did not have spare servers to expand our knowledge so we used older workstations. We created our own WSD, WSUS, VMWare Esxi hosts and NAS using Dell 780s. We had a lazy admin and full domain rights....

    Point is take your down time and study but also take time to walk around and been seen. Take what you can and do something with it. Create an ESXI host and put a 2nd DC on it and/or print server. Make a NAS and have backups run to it.

    My BEST advise I can give you is to get out of the school....titles get jobs. If you are an IT tech or desktop tech doing server work you may not get a job. Go to an MSP (Managed Service Provider) you will get your hands on everything and it will be a lot newer. Most will pay for certs and schooling as the more you have the more they can charge. You might not get a great job and will start on phones but at an MSP the 1st line people get some hardcore stuff to deal with and in larger MSPs will have people above them to help them.

    My 2 cents...take it or leave it. I was you 15 yrs ago and wasted almost a decade in a district. It's a lot harder getting hire up in IT in your mid 40s then your late 20s early 30s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volfkhat View Post
    huh?
    Why would you ever tell a recruiter what you currently make?

    You should be telling them what you expect to make for the position they are trying to fill.
    Probably so as not to waste my time or theirs. If they can't match my pay or exceed - they can stop talking.

    Quote Originally Posted by volfkhat View Post
    huh?

    And good lord Man;
    why haven't you gotten any certifications now; 10 months later?
    How did you reach that conclusion? By my bio which isn't filled out same as yours? I just have A+ & Network+ though.


    Quote Originally Posted by ImThe0ne View Post
    At the start of my career I left an "IT Field Technician" role where i got to work on anything I wanted to go to a helpdesk job and be a good bit more restricted. Not sure what your reasoning is for being against helpdesk and/or call center support is
    Just the monotony of it all - especially since I used to work for a call center in the Warranty Exchange department of a cell phone company.


    Quote Originally Posted by eansdad View Post
    Having worked in a school district for almost a decade all I can say is RUN!!! They want you to be seen which is counter to working on back end things like automation, updating, Active Directory, GPOs...etc you get the point.

    THIS IS MY JOB! I have to walk the campus majority of the day. Can't be in my office, at my computer, etc. You explained it...like you lived it...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneil3144 View Post

    I know I’ll make more in the long run in IT than criminal justice. It’s just I’m not being pushed mentally, I get frustrated. I don’t know what I want to do in the long run. In school, working on my Net+, while I have my A+, and following that up with Sec+, along with the other certs through WGU.

    I don’t know, I just constantly catch myself looking at indeed…..
    I dont know the reason why you wanted to get into IT, but I hope it was not because of the money... In IT, it is hard to make good money if you're not passionate about it. You need to be willing to do things that are not in your job description and that is the main way you're going to move up... Unless you quit and go somewhere else. People say wait this much time at a role and then leave, I dont believe in that, why take a role that would probably not workout? If you took a role that you did not know much about and found out later on that it is not what you wanted, why wait? Why not put out your CV and see what happens? I am sure you're not the only one who's accepted a job and realized it was not a good fit, it happened to me so I am sure it happened to others. I wouldn't recommend to skip from one job to another.. but I would recommend from time to time when you have an opportunity to look at other options.

    When I got into IT, I was doing help desk and repairing computers, taking calls, and I loved it! For me, that was great and I wanted more and more as time went on. Passion is important and I hope that you really enjoy something in IT and not just the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneil3144 View Post
    Probably so as not to waste my time or theirs. If they can't match my pay or exceed - they can stop talking.

    How did you reach that conclusion? By my bio which isn't filled out same as yours? I just have A+ & Network+ though.

    Ohhh... sorry;

    i didnt actually open your profile. lol
    i just glanced at your name (over to the left), and at your signature.
    Didnt see anything listed, so figured you never followed through.

    But i definitely remembered your original posting from last spring.


    Congrats then!!!
    You are making it happen :]

    A+ & Net+ are good intro certs. I learned a lot from both of them.
    Did you do it on your own? Or are you enrolled at WGU?

    Have you figured out what you want to learn next?
    MCSA, Networking, etc?

    Whatever has your interest; Keep at it!
    The job may be a drag... but use it to bide your time as you work towards a higher certification.
    then you can land a better $$$ gig.

    i dont know where you live; or what kind of jobs your are applying for....
    but if $19/hr is too much for recruiters to match... i agree it doesnt sound like a great career move.
    lol

    I work at an MSP; it has been a great place to learn new things. (But i'm Not answering phones all day)
    Almost Every day something is On-Fire; and It feels like every Friday is your "last day".

    But, all in all, i highly recommend it.
    just something to keep in mind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheProf View Post
    People say wait this much time at a role and then leave, I dont believe in that, why take a role that would probably not workout? If you took a role that you did not know much about and found out later on that it is not what you wanted, why wait? Why not put out your CV and see what happens? I am sure you're not the only one who's accepted a job and realized it was not a good fit, it happened to me so I am sure it happened to others.
    ^^^ AGREE 100%
    I once took a "Hosted Services Engineer" role at a local MSP, I didn't make it 3 full days before I remembered why I quit the last MSP from years ago. I started on a Monday and quit at lunch time on Wednesday. No since in wasting my time or theirs.
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    I skimmed the posts so if it was addressed my bad. Considering this is your first IT job and you have been working for 6 months expect to do grunt work. With that said even though you think your job sucks since theres down time but thats how corporate IT jobs are. Sometimes waiting around for something to break.

    Don't think jobs allowing you study on the job is the norm. My last job the manager would think reading up on something would equate to me bullshitting versus my current role which knows when we study to learn something it will help us do our job better. It depends on the manager some of them get it while others don't.

    I say make the best of the experience. You mentioned working on different things. If theres something from those things youlike work on get a cert for it and study on your own time. For example if you like servers and its windows server get the mcse and propose patches, upgrades whatever. Take time to break it down layer by layer to understand how it works within your job while studying. Seeing it in the real world while studying makes a hug difference. Get the cert and cut out after a year. You need your experience.

    I was at a mom/pop cisco used reseller where i just was testing equiping and recertifiing it be resold. I proposed to upgrade different aspects of the infrastructure and I did. got enough experience then got the hell out and got into my current job where i doubled my salary.
    In life you have to make your own opportunities. Don't let anyone stop you from your dreams to many negative people want you to fail because they can't succeed.
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    @ the OP.

    I think we all understand what it's like working for a "boss" who doesn't "get it." If your boss thinks you not being infront of your monitor/at your desk, means you aren't working, then you have a challenge.

    But consider this. That's his perception. Manage it. How do you communicate with the boss? email? Great, send him emails about the things you're working on improving/fixing. Eventually he would get tired of hearing about it and take your word for it, and not think twice about you being at your desk.

    The first one I'd suggest if they still have you running around the facility, is getting an overview/topology set up with access to the systems you'd normally need to walk to. Why? It will give you a chance to map out the network topology, learn how to setup port forwards/tunnels for access, and then you could put in a monitoring solution (Nagios is an easy one to get going for the basics. For SNMP traps I like OpenNMS or PRTG, but there are other options). Once you've done that, you should be able to have an overview/monitoring (with alerts for outages to whomever's email or mobile), and RDP and SSH access to all devices on the network. This way, you'll have at least taught yourself a fair bit about networking, only need to run around to make physical changes, and have a good excuse to be at your desk any time you want to.
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    First of all, I just want to say I'm glad you've found this TE forum and that you are reaching out for guidance.

    Second, like others have mentioned, you have some red flags that you personally need to deal with.

    roaming the school looking for issues
    I'm not even sure what to say about this except, HUH? Do you not have monitoring or a ticket system so issues can be given to a central location? If this is how your boss thinks you're being busy, then this is the opposite of every situation I've experienced where if you're not at your desk, then clearly you're not working, but at your desk means work (unless ESPN.com or Candy Crush is always up).

    so much downtime
    I get it, and I've had jobs with some massive downtime. But you should always look for things to do or improvements to be made, even if it ends up going nowhere, the learning can help.

    expectation to study during work and/or downtime
    This is all you and your expectation that everyone on this forum studies during work time. Some certainly do, but many of us do not. We do this on our own time outside of work, either for ethical reasons or because we just don't have the time at work. Don't make this a hang up that you harbor.

    refuse to work in a call center help desk
    I think everyone should be open to starting out in "help desk" in their IT careers. The problem is that "help desk" means different things to different people. Call centers are one thing where you are getting call after call or making call after call. Being a "Technical Support" is often kinda like this, which I've done in my early years, but it was always FAR less often than back-to-back phone calls. Similarly, being "Help Desk" aka "Desktop Support" for a business doesn't mean you even get 5 calls a day...

    I get what you don't want: the traditional call center where you get calls every time you hang up the phone. Just watch your wording, otherwise people are going to read into this that you don't want to do any of the above roles...

    been 10 months since threat start, and no new certs
    This is something only you can work on. Look at those goals, how to get there, and actually put in the time. You should find it unacceptable that you've been in the same role with no new certs/education in a year.

    don't know what to do, no goals
    This will be your biggest thing. You need to do some soul searching and decide your direction and some eventual goals. They don't need to be like 10 year or even 5 year goals, but just what sounds like something you want to do, and how do you get there. Without goals, you're going to continue to drift where the wind blows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by echo_time_cat View Post
    @ the OP.

    I think we all understand what it's like working for a "boss" who doesn't "get it." If your boss thinks you not being infront of your monitor/at your desk, means you aren't working, then you have a challenge..
    I saw my last person's evaluation before he got promoted and the only negative thing was him being at his desk, which was reiterated to me about things he did wrong.

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    roaming the school looking for issues
    I'm not even sure what to say about this except, HUH? Do you not have monitoring or a ticket system so issues can be given to a central location? If this is how your boss thinks you're being busy, then this is the opposite of every situation I've experienced where if you're not at your desk, then clearly you're not working, but at your desk means work (unless ESPN.com or Candy Crush is always up).
    Must be a school thing. We have ticket system, but that's just submitted at the end of the week. If we submit 10 tickets at least for the week; we are fine. I have to take care of the students(and the student issued laptops) and the teachers. Other people who have worked at schools understand. Probably why they issue us cell phones

    Quote Originally Posted by eansdad View Post
    Having worked in a school district for almost a decade all I can say is RUN!!! They want you to be seen which is counter to working on back end things like automation, updating, Active Directory, GPOs...etc you get the point..
    Quote Originally Posted by LonerVamp View Post
    been 10 months since threat start, and no new certs
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    Where is this quote? Where did I even say this?
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    I would kill to be in your position! You're at least gaining experience in IT, decent wage for entry level, here I am on the forums looking to one day be in your position!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirhc_Jay85 View Post
    I would kill to be in your position! You're at least gaining experience in IT, decent wage for entry level, here I am on the forums looking to one day be in your position!!!
    I'll post it...Well when you see such a position posted from a throwaway account....
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    Did the OP ever find a new role? Also, do recruiters make a commission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerVamp View Post
    "been 10 months since threat start, and no new certs.."

    This is something only you can work on. Look at those goals, how to get there, and actually put in the time. You should find it unacceptable that you've been in the same role with no new certs/education in a year.
    My bad on that;
    mea cupla.

    I only glanced at his signature and didnt see any new certs listed.
    OP says he earned his A+ & Net+; so it sounds like he's on his way.

    I think he just needs to keep working towards a higher cert (assuming he didnt do the WGU path)
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