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    Default Starting an MBA.

    So I got admission into one of world's top 20 MBA programs, on campus, part time, self-sponsored

    I'll be starting in few weeks...very excited!


    Short term goal: Finish the MBA and juggle work-life.


    Long term career goal: move to Management.


    This means, no more technical certs for me anymore!



    I don't want to post too many details in this post for the sake of personal privacy, but if you're curious or want more details shoot me a message...
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    Congratulations! Keep your options open though, often moving to management is a process, not binary so you might have a few years where you need to be adept at both sides.
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    Fantastic UnixGuy!! Congratulations on acceptance. You'll knock it out of the park.
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    Congrats! This is just what I did. I was an infrastructure manager and I started on my MBA part time. It took me a little under 3 years to do. After that, I got a job as a Director of IT. I was in that role for a little under 6 years, and I learned a lot. I have since left that to do sales engineering. So I am back in the technical world again, but this time I am helping other Directors out with security related problems in their organizations.

    If I could impart any advice, it would be to take some of your classes in seat. I networked with hundreds of professionals in my in seat classes. Those people helped me find my Director role and this role I have now. Networking is key, and by going after your MBA, you are going to meet a lot of people. Network like crazy man!

    Good luck!
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    Huge congrats! Report back to us when you are a CISO or CIO of a huge transnational corp with a huge half a million pay! Or even higher!
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    Congratulations and good luck!
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    Congratulations on the acceptance! For the program that you entered, did you have the take the GMAT/GRE? I know some requirements don't include that for the executive programs but it seems like the professional programs typically do.
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    Congrats on the acceptance!!!
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    Probably the most challenging thing I have ever done. Well worth the effort and heartache. Congrats
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    Quote Originally Posted by EANx View Post
    Congratulations! Keep your options open though, often moving to management is a process, not binary so you might have a few years where you need to be adept at both sides.
    Very good point. I'm trying to avoid exactly that, I feel that if I keep getting pulled to do technical stuff I'll never leave. Next position should be either sales or management..but yeah things take time so we'll see
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbdudek View Post
    Congrats! This is just what I did. I was an infrastructure manager and I started on my MBA part time. It took me a little under 3 years to do. After that, I got a job as a Director of IT. I was in that role for a little under 6 years, and I learned a lot. I have since left that to do sales engineering. So I am back in the technical world again, but this time I am helping other Directors out with security related problems in their organizations.

    If I could impart any advice, it would be to take some of your classes in seat. I networked with hundreds of professionals in my in seat classes. Those people helped me find my Director role and this role I have now. Networking is key, and by going after your MBA, you are going to meet a lot of people. Network like crazy man!

    Good luck!

    Excellent story and thanks for the advice! that's the reason why I opted for on campus rather than online, to network, but I also figured I'm not the most motivated person to do online studies. Thanks mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by gespenstern View Post
    Huge congrats! Report back to us when you are a CISO or CIO of a huge transnational corp with a huge half a million pay! Or even higher!

    haha I'm sure i'll be reporting back way before
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    Quote Originally Posted by supafish9 View Post
    Congratulations on the acceptance! For the program that you entered, did you have the take the GMAT/GRE? I know some requirements don't include that for the executive programs but it seems like the professional programs typically do.

    I didn't have to do GRE/GMAT in my case, but I was prepared to do it if needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by scada View Post
    Probably the most challenging thing I have ever done. Well worth the effort and heartache. Congrats

    Did it help your career? care to share your story/progress with us?
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    Yes for sure. here is a small writeup.

    The contacts I made in the program were great. But more so the quality of people not necessarily their positions. I usually get asked in every job interview “Oh, we see you have an MBA blah… why didn’t you get an MS in cyber like all the other IT security people” or something to that effect right. I like to point out that cyber in and of itself is not a profit center (usually) it helps drive profit centers speaking in terms of value added. My current role as an ISSE/M the MBA doesn’t help to much but it will help more once I hold more FaceTime with project managers. At the end of the day everyone’s job is to add value in a way which helps protect or increase profit. I took a director positon in one of my X-wife’s companies during grad school. This helped a lot with learning out to build teams and lead people outside of a military environment. MBA programs help you learn how to communicate effectively and how to speak in universal terms which most business understand. I started my MBA at the University of Hawaii in 2014 and finished in May 2016. I will probably be going back for a MS or PHd (funding dependent).
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    2014- 2016 Grad school and Work in x wives company. More of an advisory role I had a general manager and two other location mangers who reported up to me. During this time Divorce kicked off which made things even more challenging.
    2016-2017 Security Analyst I though III at US PACIFIC Command. Here the MBA helped because everyone in my office had an Engineering background with MS degree in cyber or a business background with an MS in cyber. My day to day position required lots of analytical work trend analysis, burn rate adjustments. Cyber scorecard kind of stuff. The MBA helped with these kinds of efforts. During this time I picked up CASP,CISSP,CSM,CEH in that order back to back. This combo of certs helped at work to meet standard of my office (everyone was required to have IAT III) I just took it upon myself to go above and beyond. At the same time, I was working in a NOC full time as well. In the NOC the MBA actually hurt me some because people always wanted to know when I would be leaving and why on earth someone with an MBA would be hanging out in the NOC. The management there knew that the position was to a way to add extra money to my bank account. All in all, the management was happy because there was a butt in seat and I found a backfill when I left. I was happy because I was getting an extra check.
    2018-Current Moved from Hawaii to Texas and took an ISSE position. Here the MBA helped also mainly during the interview. I think it added some value and spoke to work ethic combined with holding two full time positions. I also leveraged the MBA during my interview and that helped me drive and control the interview into a direction I wanted it to go. Focusing on my strengths etc..

    If you want to eventually go into management then the MBA can only help. The key is going to be finding a position where you can utilize the skills you took two years to learn. Help drive policy / strategic plan, data analysis balh balh .
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    I think the key is that the MBA is a force multiplier which becomes more powerful as time goes on.
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    @Scada thanks for sharing your story, inspirational
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    Also, you don’t want to think of the MBA as “Oh I don’t need tech certs anymore …. That’s what added value to your current situation. Those tech certs keeping one or two current will add value when you have to ask your techs under you to do something. You won’t be “just the manager” you will also be a practitioner ( you probably know all this already brother…)

    I like it when the guy with GPEN and GCFA says I am in inspiration. After CISM is done in August I will attach GCIH and GPEN. Paying out of pocket….

    Ok so back to your MBA …. Make sure you leverage your team members and learn what makes them tick…. The higher your emotional intelligence is going into the program, the easier it will be to bring everything together. Soot me a PM… I would love to know which program you will be attending.

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    @Scada: points taken with regards to cert. However, I think once you have a strong technical foundation (in my case well over a decade of hands-on experience, many certs, trainings, jobs, challenging undergrad degree, seminars), then it gets easier to keep your knowledge up to date. For example, I'd opt to attend AWS seminars, workshops, trainings, rather than studying for the cert. I'd still read and study, but not necessarily to pass an exam. Also, I'm worried about being pulled into technical work forever, this will prevent me from moving up the ladder. I've seen it happen...

    SANS certs are always good value, good luck with your studies. I'll send you a PM now
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    @unixguy and @scada, thanks for your input and thoughts. I have a mentor that's suggesting the same thing to study and apply for an MBA program instead of a MS.
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    @supafish9: go for it! I don't recommend technical MS, you can learn most things (in a much more efficient & up to date way) through experience & certs.

    @jdancer: can't wait! those are the stuff that I want to learn
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    congrats UNIXGUY
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    I'm starting in two weeks......


    Guess what, I was offered SANS work study for 660........ I had to frekkin reject it because I can mandatory intensive classes.......


    Anyway, decision has been made, no going back now
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzx380 View Post
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    Will do sir! Appreciate the support
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