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    It's a race to get the best applicant. Some agencies are evolving and doing their job to forge relationships with companies or subsets of companies and creating in-roads as the preferred vendor. In those cases you are set up good, but there is initial front end work done on the relationship side, but..... most of the recruiters I see like to throw turds at the wall and see if it sticks. Shotgun sales approach and it can work but is very hard on the candidates that don't work out. I personally think that method is trash and the people who go with it are equal.
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    Really hate when they don't look at your resume. Just because I am in IT, doesn't make me a Java developer.
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    B) to not ask about benefits until after an offer has been made because it "really turns them off if you ask to many question around that until an offer is made". I figured that sounds reasonable...
    I've never considered that to be a reasonable request. Benefits are a part of the compensation. I had to learn the hard way that the very next question after salary needs to be about benefits. I took a job that paid a salary that was 12k more than my previous employer. Benefits were not discussed because the recruiter didn't want me to scare off the employer. That was a big mistake. My previous employer covered 85% of the insurance premiums. This employer covered none. I went from paying about $150 per paycheck for insurance for my family to $750 per check for insurance that wasn't even as good as my previous employers. I went from paying $3,900 a year for insurance to $19,500. I'm actually bringing home $7,500 less per year all because I didn't discuss insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logisticalstyles View Post
    I've never considered that to be a reasonable request. Benefits are a part of the compensation. I had to learn the hard way that the very next question after salary needs to be about benefits. I took a job that paid a salary that was 12k more than my previous employer. Benefits were not discussed because the recruiter didn't want me to scare off the employer. That was a big mistake. My previous employer covered 85% of the insurance premiums. This employer covered none. I went from paying about $150 per paycheck for insurance for my family to $750 per check for insurance that wasn't even as good as my previous employers. I went from paying $3,900 a year for insurance to $19,500. I'm actually bringing home $7,500 less per year all because I didn't discuss insurance.
    ouch! Thanks for sharing with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logisticalstyles View Post
    I've never considered that to be a reasonable request. Benefits are a part of the compensation. I had to learn the hard way that the very next question after salary needs to be about benefits. I took a job that paid a salary that was 12k more than my previous employer. Benefits were not discussed because the recruiter didn't want me to scare off the employer. That was a big mistake. My previous employer covered 85% of the insurance premiums. This employer covered none. I went from paying about $150 per paycheck for insurance for my family to $750 per check for insurance that wasn't even as good as my previous employers. I went from paying $3,900 a year for insurance to $19,500. I'm actually bringing home $7,500 less per year all because I didn't discuss insurance.
    That was a huge red flag when the recruiter didn't want you to talk about benefits with the client! I've always wondered when should I ask about pay and benefits? The first interview? I'm concerned the employer might get upset because all I care about is money but that is the point of a job is to get paid.
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    I was going through two recruiting processes at the time I accepted the offer from company B. The "bad" recruiter I described was an external agency, while company A had internal recruiters. The difference was night and day. The external agency was very focused on getting the company what they wanted and pushed back if I talked benefits or pay "until the time was right".

    The internal recruiter was upfront on everything and told me a few times "I don't know, lets see what they say...ill get back to you" instead of BS'ing an answer.

    Yesterday I had a recruiter reach out on linkedin, I declined but said I have a friend who lives in the city your looking to hire in and hes better qualified than me. Crickets....


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    Quote Originally Posted by scaredoftests View Post
    Really hate when they don't look at your resume. Just because I am in IT, doesn't make me a Java developer.
    I get this a lot. In my case, I only posted on LinkedIn the name of the company I've worked for (except the last two since I transferred to InfoSec), position / title and my certifications. Other than that, nothing, not even a career summary or a brief description of what I did in my previous jobs, yet I get messages recruiting for all sorts of positions. It makes me wonder on what grounds are they basing their invitations on? They're just probably looking for some keywords and that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scaredoftests View Post
    Really hate when they don't look at your resume. Just because I am in IT, doesn't make me a Java developer.
    LOL seriously, it seems I get contacted for almost every type of IT or developer job except the ones I am actually doing or qualified for, even after I stripped away superfluous terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scaredoftests View Post
    Really hate when they don't look at your resume. Just because I am in IT, doesn't make me a Java developer.
    Right? Or, even better, when they contact you about a Tier 1 Desktop Support technician position paying $12.00 /hr when you have 10 years experience as a network engineer.
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    Right? Or, even better, when they contact you about a Tier 1 Desktop Support technician position paying $12.00 /hr when you have 10 years experience as a network engineer.
    OMG that actually did happen to me recently! The recruiter who obviously didn't see IT Manager on my resume sent me an obvious generic email about how wonderful opportunity this help desk position would be and extolled all the benefits and the $13 hour wage lol. Took me a while to stop laughing before I sent a polite reply declining the "opportunity" and asking him to get back to me when a job more fitting to my current skills and experience becomes available.
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    I get that a lot too. Very annoying.
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    Right? Or, even better, when they contact you about a Tier 1 Desktop Support technician position paying $12.00 /hr when you have 10 years experience as a network engineer.
    Even better when it's also a 1099 role too!
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    Even better when it's also a 1099 role too!
    1099, 6 month contract, other side of the planet, for known-bad-company


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    1099, 6 month contract, other side of the planet, for known-bad-company
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    I applied for a job listed on a company's site. A couple days later a clueless recruiter sends me an email asking a bunch of really stupid questions that made it obvious that he had not read my application or viewed my resume. Straight to the trash bin after I got a few laughs.
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    I don't know about you guys but I've had really good luck with recruiters who are local to me.
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    I keep on getting recruiters contacting me for Oracle Developer jobs. My resume has 5+ years system administration experience except for a short project I did as an Oracle Developer for 6 months. The funny part is all the jobs they call me for are located more than 8 hours driving from where I am located. I have no interest in being an Oracle Developer for my career.
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    I don't know about you guys but I've had really good luck with recruiters who are local to me.
    Same here. Not all of them, but many who are networked in the local market, are invested in having a solid reputation, and have actual relationships with hiring managers are well regarded by most. They are, at the end of the day, still salespeople, though, and not your friend.
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    Oh Prajesh from Artech. I am not a chemist and am definitely not looking to move 5 hours away to a god forsaken wasteland in Kansas to do a 12 month contract for a position I'm no where near qualified to do because it's in a completely different field of work than I'm in.
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    Another problem with a recruiter not being local to me is that I'm getting bombarded with emails, calls, and text messages regarding jobs that are in California but nowhere near me. These recruiters should probably look at a map before blowing up your phone. Note to recruiters: California is a very very very big state.
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    I received an email last night, to my work email no less, reminding me that I had a phone interview with a recruiter...for a recruiter position. Let's see...I am an IT instructor, not a talent representative.
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    I'm getting more picky when working with recruiters.

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    If the position doesn't line up with my career goals, then I really need to think about the position. I met a person in IT that gave me that nugget of advice.
    Always take a position that will move you closer to your career goal, not unless you really need the money.

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    If they have a role that's only weekends, then I'm out.

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    The position has no end date, or is not contract to hire. The position could go on for eternity.
    I'm probably out on this one too.
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    I hate recruiters. After spending some time looking around for various roles and 'making myself available' on LinkedIn and various recruitment sites, I can honestly say that I am sick and tired of all these calls offering me a 'fantastic opportunity'.

    Every call literally starts with 'I've come across your CV online and thought his position might be of interest blah blah'. The problem I have is if I say no because the job doesn't sound appealing at all, they will literally try and sell it to me for the next 10 minutes. "Are you sure?"... "How about I put your details forward?"... "What if you speak to the company"... NO! Stop selling this to me!! They are literally just like salesman and only care about the commission they get.

    With my current job they actually had an internal recruitment team who works for the same company which I found to be so much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkingStudent View Post
    I'm getting more picky when working with recruiters.

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    If the position doesn't line up with my career goals, then I really need to think about the position. I met a person in IT that gave me that nugget of advice.
    Always take a position that will move you closer to your career goal, not unless you really need the money.

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    If they have a role that's only weekends, then I'm out.

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    The position has no end date, or is not contract to hire. The position could go on for eternity.
    I'm probably out on this one too.

    I've taken a job in the past with no end date unless it was end of contract but that wasn't known when. The job was complete hell and management were amongst the most degrading ones I've ever worked for. They will always cater towards the client and treat you the contractor as 2nd class citizens. Now a days I'm looking for contract to hire or direct hire if I were to work for a recruiter again unless it's I really need the money than I really can't be picking and choosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyliinez92 View Post
    I hate recruiters. After spending some time looking around for various roles and 'making myself available' on LinkedIn and various recruitment sites, I can honestly say that I am sick and tired of all these calls offering me a 'fantastic opportunity'.

    Every call literally starts with 'I've come across your CV online and thought his position might be of interest blah blah'. The problem I have is if I say no because the job doesn't sound appealing at all, they will literally try and sell it to me for the next 10 minutes. "Are you sure?"... "How about I put your details forward?"... "What if you speak to the company"... NO! Stop selling this to me!! They are literally just like salesman and only care about the commission they get.

    With my current job they actually had an internal recruitment team who works for the same company which I found to be so much better.

    Exactly all recruiters are used car sales people and how much do you trust a used car sales person? Some of them can get really aggressive to the point of stalking you so becareful and report them accordingly (police, there management, etc).
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