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    Personally I hate them...here is my experience with Robert half in Grand Rapids Michigan

    I get a call from a Robert Half head hunter wanting me to drive to his office (2 hours away) for an interview.

    So I get in the car and drive out there...once there they inform me I have to fill out all the tax forms w2, a non-compete and a non-discloser agreement - before I could even see the Head Hunter for the interview...or there would be no interview at all.

    After signing my life away I got an interview with the guy who kept getting calls on his cell phone...after the 8th call he finally looked at my resume....then said "great lets get you tested". He then sent me on a 3 hours drive in the opposite direction to get tested because he did not have time to test me there.

    After spending 5+ hours on the road with 10 minutes of interview time I made it to the test center and was tested on:

    Windows Server 2000
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    I aced all the tests (still have the print outs to prove it).

    He called me a month later and told me that he never submitted my resume as he felt I did not have the skills or personality that would mesh well with the job...and then hung up on me.

    I then go out and find my dream job by myself without the help of any head hunters.

    About six months after that he calls me and litterally BEGS me to drop everything and take a job that is a 5 hours drive away for 1/2 of what I am making. I told told him no and asked him to not call my house again. Then I hung up the phone.

    He called back instantly and threatened to sue me for not taking the job, stating that I signed an agreement (none of the agreements said I was obligated to do anything other then not compete against them for the same job).

    So I forwarded the paperwork and agreements to my lawyer and had Mr. Legal tell Mr. Half to shove off or I would sue them for harrasment and unfair business practices.

    I am sure not all Robert Half head hunters are like that - but that entire thing really made me not like them

    Just my two cents worth... head hunters are evil and I avoid them at all costs after that incident.

    For the record, I have 12 years experience as a professional programmer and 6 years experience as a network admin...this was definatly not my first time dealing with a head hunter but it will probably be my last.
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    wow, bcairns. That story would make a lot of people stay very far from Robert Half Tech.
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    i would have to disagree as all staffing companies are not evil. I just recently got a help desk tier 1 job from a staffing company, and the recruiter even took me out to lunch and paid for lunch also and we signed all the papers there.. Anyways what i'm saying is do not ever diss a staffing company unless they are threatning to sue you or something like in the previous post. Because you never know when your looking for a job and they have a position that your looking for. I personally think to stay away from big contracting companies and go for smaller contracting companies b/c not only do they do a better job assiting but they also have deals most of the times with companies to hire you on after a secific time perm with them. For me example, it actually says in my contract i'm guaranteed salary and perm with benefits after 6 months unless i happen to get fired before that or decide to leave... Just my two cents into all this.

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    "once there they inform me I have to fill out all the tax forms w2, a non-compete and a non-discloser agreement - before I could even see the Head Hunter for the interview...or there would be no interview at all. "

    I told them that I didn't want to sign those until I was close to getting a job... They were okay with that and gave me the pointless interview anyways.

    What is amazing that RHT holds a lot of jobs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishra
    What is amazing that RHT holds a lot of jobs...
    What's amazing to me is that recruiters in general hold so many jobs. But then, I guess it's to be expected, as many HR departments are swamped and lack technical background to properly assess resumes.

    What I wonder is, what does it take to get on recruiters' radar? If you have several years of experience, and a number of certifications, why would they pass over you for a job you would jump through hoops to get??
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    Like I have said before Robert Half is called Robert Half because they take half of your paycheck. I agree with bcairns 100% & will have nothing to do with bounty hunting job hunters. Find your own job.

    bcairns- where do you live in MI?
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    just give up, they are only in it for themselves, same with teksys and all the other frauds, i'm about to write a nasty letter to both
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    Like I have said before Robert Half is called Robert Half because they take half of your paycheck.
    While I understand the sentiment about RHT, I did get a decent long-term job out of a contracting assignment once. That was with Kimco's tech group, and they didn't have fancy offices unlike many of their competitors-- and I got a good wage after I was hired on permanently, so I don't think the contracting company was paying very much in fees.

    Toughest part about ignoring recruiters where I live is, it seems like they have about 30% of the jobs. Many HR departments in these parts are either too busy, too computer-illiterate or don't care-- and as such they would gladly hand off hiring/screening to an agency for a fee. In some cases IT groups bypass HR to go directly to recruiters, sometimes with HR approval!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquabat
    just give up, they are only in it for themselves, same with teksys and all the other frauds, i'm about to write a nasty letter to both
    Write the nastygram and stash it for a few days. If you still feel that way after, fire it off. It's quite possibly deserved on their parts.

    I think part of the problem is many industries/companies have gotten greedy and/or stingy, and are out to hoard as much as they can while providing as little as possible to those affected by their activities. I've seen a pronounced trend in this since the economy finally bounced back somewhat from the dot-com bust and other tragedies of 2001. Thankfully, it's not happening in every single corner of business, but it's enough to be noticeable in general. IMO, the recruiting industry is among the worst for this.
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    I've interviewed at Teksystems and Robert half both recently...although I've been interviewed at Teksystems two-three times in the past and never got a job from them. Robot half I visited in Orlando last week and spoke with the gentleman there about a job they had available. When I showed up on time they made me fill out tons of paperwork and even take a PC hardware test which I aced in five or so minutes.

    The whole time I had to keep going out to fill the parking meter, since I was there from 9AM to 12PM. They were suppose to call me on monday but it's now thursday and I never heard back. :/
    I'm sending them an email.

    Out of curiousity...should you fill out an application before the interview? Just seems silly if your not actually going to get the job. I've wasted time filling out tons of paperwork for jobs that I never got. So why should I do this...are they benefitting from it regardless of whether I get the job?

    Not sure if it's wise to mention this to future interviewers.

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    What the...is tek-systems a banned word?
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    I wouldn't recomend Tek Systems for a job hunter or an employer seeking people.

    They hired me on for a temp job and lied through their ears to get me to do it. They lied about the hours and the length of the job. I had to turn down the job once I got on site and they told me that I would basicly have to miss school for the next three weeks. I had to walk off and felt like an ass.

    Do a google search for them and look at all the people yelling scam on them.

    As for employers looking to work with them , they threw me into someones workplace without ever doing a proper interview!!!

    Maybe I just had a bad "recruiter" , but I don't think so.
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    well i really recomend to stay away from recruter and organization like that they jsut care about making their profit and then they forget about you they promise you the job and this and that but thats just alot a crap..

    My xperiance with burnett'; i took a job as a NOC Analyst for some companie here in the area, burnett had told me that i was gonna work for them for 3 months then i was gonna be hired, now i stared there last tuesday but after training some dude that been working there throu burnett told me that they didnt know if they were gonna keep him after 3 months and that they called burnett and they never answear u should ve seen the guy he looked really frusteted...so i said screw this and i came back to my job last thurday...i was gonna be getting pay 3 dlls less that im getting pay in my actual job but after the 3 months the promise me a 7 dlls raise which im pretty sure it was crap

    in conclusion stay away!!!!!they just want their profit and notting else
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    I loathe most recruiters and their practices, that's about as deep as I'll go, though.
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    Personally, I've found them to be more annoying than anything else....as with all recruiters. They call about a position, never get back to you, or call you to come in for a week contract or something ridiculous, don't seem to pay much attention to what your resume actually says (as far as what you've specified on monster or another job-finding site, ie:full-time, specified job locations, etc) and i frankly find the whole recruiting thing to be a big scam....they're taking a good chunk of pay out of what you should be making, and it's not like there's any shortage of people looking for IT work.
    The industry would make more sense if big companies would cut out recruiters entirely and work with people on a more personal level. Only a few of the many IT recruiters i've spoken with seem to even have any knowledge of IT...they're more salespeople than anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilcram19
    well i really recomend to stay away from recruter and organization like that they jsut care about making their profit and then they forget about you they promise you the job and this and that but thats just alot a crap..

    My xperiance with burnett'; i took a job as a NOC Analyst for some companie here in the area, burnett had told me that i was gonna work for them for 3 months then i was gonna be hired, now i stared there last tuesday but after training some dude that been working there throu burnett told me that they didnt know if they were gonna keep him after 3 months and that they called burnett and they never answear u should ve seen the guy he looked really frusteted...so i said screw this and i came back to my job last thurday...i was gonna be getting pay 3 dlls less that im getting pay in my actual job but after the 3 months the promise me a 7 dlls raise which im pretty sure it was crap

    in conclusion stay away!!!!!they just want their profit and notting else
    Not to be a dick, but, they made it 100% clear I guarantee that you were on a 3 month POSSIBILITY TO HIRE contract.

    Those are the risks you take when you do contract work. That's why you never ask for just a $3 raise doing it, I typically expect 15-25/hr more for contract work. For instance, if I am accustomed to making $62k in the full-time sector, I would expect no less than ~80k to do the same job on a 1099. Taxes are even worse with 1099 work.

    I still believe that recruiters are scum and stay far away from all but the 1-2 my colleagues have recommended.
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    Hey All -

    I found this site by searching Robert Half Technology. I have been contracting through them for three weeks now - they did place me in an awesome job. However, I received my first full paycheck and WOW! Where did it all go? Anybody out there know how much they take out?

    Making more an hour from previous job but taking home a lot less. Going to have to rethink this apporach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqrlGrl
    Hey All -

    I found this site by searching Robert Half Technology. I have been contracting through them for three weeks now - they did place me in an awesome job. However, I received my first full paycheck and WOW! Where did it all go? Anybody out there know how much they take out?

    Making more an hour from previous job but taking home a lot less. Going to have to rethink this apporach.

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    I was under the impression the recruiting company told you exactly what you would make, say, $50k - but the company they send you to would be paying $65k, so you'd see a normal check and really never know what their part of the pie was. Could be wrong, though.
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    Long story short on my end - I was told what the job paid per hour and that was about it. Then when I received my paycheck I was totally shocked at the amount because I'm making more with this new job than the job I quit but you wouldn't be able tell that from the check; and I have moved to a state that has withholding (not used to that as I was living in Florida).

    In my research to try and figure out what Robert Half takes out I found the website www.paycheckcity.com and input my check amount before taxes and choose the state of North Carolina. Paycheckcity calculated everything down to the penny, Social Security, Fed taxes and the State Withholding. The one number that was way off was the state withholding - the amount on my check is almost three times the amount that paycheckcity gave me - so I'm going on the assumption that is where Robert Half is taking their cut - which comes to about 13 - 14%.

    Now in all fairness maybe they did tell me and I was so eager to get away from my current job I didn't pay any attention.

    Sorry - I tried to keep it short

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    IF they are taking money out of your check it shouldn't be listed on the stub as state withholding. You might want to contact someone and have it sorted out or explained to you. Most of these companies take their cut long before you even see anything. If they didn't most people would quit. The withholding part of your stub is only for state taxes , and all of it should be itemized. State , Fed , Social Sec. ext...
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    Default My experience with RHI and Ettain Group

    Negative experience in both cases:

    - RHI - I had to drive (2 hours) to their office in Raleigh (NC), filled a bunch of forms, taking a test on PHP (never got the results). I called and emailed several times the guy, he never answered. After more than 4 months I never got a job proposal neither news from them. The only positive thing is that I have now access to Skillport for free, but unfortunately I subscribed just a few days before my RHI experience, that expensive knowledge instrument directly.

    - Ettain - This is an almost unbelievable experience. I was contacted by a guy from the Charlotte (NC) office; a nice guy I must add. He really worked for me, unfortunately he "placed" me with the wrong company. They were searching for a Linux administrator. My skills are clearly explained on my resume, no lies, no "window" dressing etc. Got a phone interview with the big boss of this company (New Breed in Greensboro); he asks me to talk to another Linux admin of the company. He asks for my skills, I answer honestly (for example I never compiled all by myself the kernel and I told him). Both these guys liked me and my honesty (I am more at a Jr. level, because although I manage a Linux system, this is just part of what I do, but in the past I managed IBM mainframes and AS/400's). The guy at Ettain calls me in a matter of few hours with the great news about being hired for $27/hour. Great! Well, not really. They asked me to terminate all my previous engagements, because I was asked to start in a matter of a few days. When I finally started (3 weeks passed) I was registered at New Breed, put in an office, and the manager (a Sr. Unix admin) created for me an user id in order to "play" (his own words) with Solaris. In my interview I clearly stated that I never worked with Solaris (although I discovered it's very similar to any other Linux distribution). For 2 days I begged to have something to do. At the end of the second day, after I got home, I received the "nice" news that I was terminated because "I was not up to par". Well even if I am an idiot I would like to show my incompetence before being fired. I just hope I will be paid for those 2 days of "work".

    One final word. These agencies probably can't care less about you and their contracts usually say that you have to give them 7-10 days notice, but they don't.

    Well now I cannot up my par, because without a job I cannot pay the green fee.
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    We've used Robert half to find candidates for us and they have been great. We usually allow RHT to take the burden for about 3-6 months, and then decide if we will bring the contracotr on-board full-time. I've never wrked for them, but I've used them as a head hunter.
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    For an employer I guess that the problem is different. An employer has usually a good number of candidates to choose from. As job searcher you feel to be like just another piece of meat. With another agency, once I tried an experiment. Since I own a small company, I searched for a candidate with my skills (I am not an idiot and I created a profile matching about 80% of my skills). Well, they made a couple of proposals. Guess what? They did not propose my resume at all. And believe me, I know how to conduct these tests, using the right people etc. The don't give a d..n to their candidates, their only concern is taking a cut from the pay. This should be obvious by the clause about the notice. They just want to please their customer, not the employee. Same old story. I accept credit card with my business. Ever wondered why credit cards companies give away all those "cash rewards" or "travel points"? The merchant pays 100% of those rewards (added to the usual discount rate). Do you believe the customer is aware of this? Of course not. By the way this is another story.
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    I get a lot of calls from RHT and Tek Systems, but I haven't been too impressed with any jobs they've offered me. I'm a network systems admin at a company now full time, but always have my options open. I think I'm lacking experience for their good jobs. I have about 3.5 years.
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    I think some of you have the very unreal expectation when you are getting involved into it. Now Im not going to bore you with credentials and certs and blah blah blah cause yeah I have nothing to prove to any one here

    Here is the real. And I to was just like most. You go to tech school you graduate with some sort of 2 year what ever. Now while in school you had all these folks telling ya, yeah graduate and make 60 k blah blah blah.. Take cert and make more ..

    WRONG

    Experience is where its at in this game folks. I have been playing for 14 year professionally. Here is the scoop. The tek systems and the Robert Halfs are your gate ways into a company. Most companies HR department are to dumb to understand people like us so they look to the contracting firms for help. That's how it works. If by some miracle you land a job by your self when just stating out then congrats

    To many of us think that It is a turn key solution to success. RIGHT. WAKE up!.. You have to put in your time and prove your worth. You have to keep thinking out side the box and not just slump around and say hey i have my cert I am an expert when you really are nothing. Take this from a guy that's been there. fresh out of college with windows nt certs, Dos and unix background. Yes DOS and unix for all you GUI mouse clicking mites. Thinking I was Hot s##t cause I knew more than most from OTHER activities . But then I got slapped with being the helper of a help desk tech making $8.50 an hour

    Know what happened. I stuck it out.. work that job and surpass the help desk guy and made him my B, Worked up the ranks for 8 year to an glorious Sr. Engineer title.. making a whopping 70k a year.. woo hoo... Kept on working then turn back to these lovely head hunter and now I make well over 6 figures a year and have an enormous amount of flexibility.

    At the end of the day my fellow geeks, all you have is bandwidth and a huge chunk of change for toys

    Don't think for some second that you are safe with some corp full time time just to get out sourced cause your bosses have no idea about what you do. Pimp your selfs out and get what is truly yours. The world is nothing with out us

    Experience and proof of ongoing education is the key. Get 10 years under your belt and your world will change with RH or tek or what ever
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