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    Default Calling all Feds Pay Grade Scale - How to decrypt?

    I'm applying for a job at the Navy for IT and I need to choose which pay grade I want to apply for. I tried to google but it is so confusing. The only thing I think I figured out is that GS7 is 4 year college degree and GS9 is 4 year degree with year or two expierence? Please correct me if wrong. But I did not read about the GS-2210 part? What about the others below? Any good resources to decrypt all this??

    DP-2210 -III, IV
    DS-2210-II, III
    GS-2210-09, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
    NH-2210-II, III, IV
    NO-2210-II, III, III, IV, IV, V, V
    NT-2210-II, III, III, IV, IV, V, V, VI, VI
    YA-2210-1, 2, 3
    YC-2210-1, 2, 3

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    GS-5 is a four year degree, GS-7 is a Masters Degree or 3.0 in your BA/BS, GS-9 or above you need experience. Some don't require a four year degree for GS-5, they may take experience. I came in as a GS-5 in Immigration and Customs Enforcement with a combination of college credits and job experience. Two full years of work experience can get you a GS-5 grade, but it depends on the requirement. USAJobs always post the requirements to obtain a grade level. Don't know about the Navy grades....
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    First thing being IT Prof and the different that you get hire or not is all about what you can do for the job.

    If you know how to do a search on internet, then you should know that everything from DoD (non classified) can be find on the internet. Here is the website that will resolve all your problem no matter what field that you are applying.

    NSPS Conversion Calculator
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    GS-5 is a four year degree, GS-7 is a Masters Degree or 3.0 in your BA/BS, GS-9 or above you need experience.
    I know a few GS12/13 that have never been to college. It all depends how badly they need people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckzito View Post
    I'm applying for a job at the Navy for IT and I need to choose which pay grade I want to apply for. I tried to google but it is so confusing. The only thing I think I figured out is that GS7 is 4 year college degree and GS9 is 4 year degree with year or two expierence? Please correct me if wrong. But I did not read about the GS-2210 part? What about the others below? Any good resources to decrypt all this??

    DP-2210 -III, IV
    DS-2210-II, III
    GS-2210-09, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15
    NH-2210-II, III, IV
    NO-2210-II, III, III, IV, IV, V, V
    NT-2210-II, III, III, IV, IV, V, V, VI, VI
    YA-2210-1, 2, 3
    YC-2210-1, 2, 3

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    GS-2210: Information Technology Management Series
    The Information Technology Management Series, GS-2210, has replaced the GS-334, Computer Specialist Series. This standard covers GS-2210 positions and any remaining GS-334 positions.
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    I know a few GS12/13 that have never been to college. It all depends how badly they need people.

    I would say it is more who you know than what you know in the GS system.....buddy system


    also the YC 2210 1 2 3 is upper managment like GS 12 13 15 level.....
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    Fair enough, but I'd say that those people most likely do have a ton of experience. A lot of Federal jobs take the experience over formal schooling. Case in point when I was with ICE one guy at my office had an offer from FPS to be a GS-9 or GS-11. He had an associates, ran his own security/fire system based company, and had been a paid/volunteer fire chief. But you are correct, once you hit the GS-11 grade then your promotions depend on who you know and who likes you.
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    I know this is an old post, but here's a chart that shows how most of those pay grades compare.

    https://chart.donhr.navy.mil/myresum....asp?HelpID=18
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    I must've applied for the same job. LOL I just checked them all since I want to be considered for any and everything. :P

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    I just posted to a 2210-12 position (GS-12). I spent 5 years active duty and worked with many civil servants. I was an O-3 grade which I considered equivalent to a GS-12. For entry as O-1 (2nd Lt or Ensign) you needed a 4 year degree and no experience (my guesstimate of a GS-09 equivalent level). We had GS-12s coming in with a BSEE and no experience as direct hires but there was a big demand for that degree. I knew some GS/GM-14 and higher types who were PhD calibre. I think all SES (Senior Executive Service) required doctorates.

    I'm confused as well about current education requirements since the job descriptions say GS-9 and above require equivalent of PhD. That's a bit disconcerting since I have 30 years experience and a masters degree and am pretty much shooting blanks with the few federal positions I've applied for. We'll have a fed employment rep coming to visit our workforce center week after next (I'm currently laid off status).

    I will have to admit back in '03 (my previous layoff period) I applied for an IT Director (GS-14) position with Army Corps of Engineers. Eight weeks went by and I was offered a good civilian sector position, then got a notification that I had been selected to interview for the ACE position. Some major general from down south would fly in to interview me and the other candidates. I thought about it then respectfully withdrew from consideration. That good civilian job lasted 2.5 years before the company was sold and I was again out on the street.

    I can post some followup information in a few weeks after meeting the fed rep.

    As a veteran, I "could" qualify for 5pts veteran's preference consideration. Federal jobs are a bit more finicky in this regard since my service dates are post Vietnam and pre-Gulf war. I will likely get zero preference. Local city, county and state positions don't seem to have that restriction.
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    Anybody know an average time frame for applying for these federal jobs? I mean I only started applying about 3 weeks ago so what is the min time I should expect to hear something or the max time at which I should just give up and assume I wasn't selected?

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    It depends on a couple of things. When was the posting ended? As in, it was good from this date to this date. If you applied before the posting had ended it may take some time. Second, what are the requirements for the position? There's the application and usually a bunch of paperwork they need to have sent in. Finally, how badly do they need someone? For ICE it took me a little over a year from testing to hire date. I applied for an IT position with the VA and it took them about 3 days to say I wasn't qualified. Some positions I never heard back from (some due to a lack a paperwork, some because other people were more qualified). Overall, I'd say expect 2 week to a month and a half before being contacted.
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    When I was contacted for my interview, 90 days had elapsed since I had made my application. They're the government after all...
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    Sorry everyone, all of this info is so crappin confusing.

    I have the exact same problem as the op and don't know what to pick.

    I have a diploma from a technical school, an mcp, an mcsa in 2000 and 2003 server, and 13 years of experience in the IT industry.

    So, what the heck should I pick out of these????

    DP2210

    III
    IV

    DS2210

    II
    III

    GS2210

    09
    11
    12
    13
    14
    15

    NH2210

    II
    III
    IV

    NT2210

    II
    III
    IV
    V
    VI

    YA2210

    2
    3

    YC2210

    2
    3



    Stupid government crap, they have to make everything so friggin hard..
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    Give this a try <http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Doc.../DTA_App_M.pdf> it has a good break down

    If your in IT and have a good background and certs for server (security+ MCITP) start as GS-11/2210 same for networks with Cisco and/or broadcom. IA and desktop Gs-07 or 09 2210. A GS-12 is going to be a product specialist with supervisory experience and that role is going away and will simply be a supervisor. GET YOUR CERTS!! Good Luck
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