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    Anybody on here get through KFT1, specifically the UML part?

    I've finished the "busy work" tasks 1-3, and now am working on Task 4.

    I've wrote close to 2000 lines of code for the final application and tester script, finished my 220 page long test plan (no joke, I have 201 test cases), and commented the code so much my "/" key is about to fall off . All that's left is the UML stuff and I'm completely perplexed by it.

    Seems like they want an awful lot of information on the use cases, (Like a few hundred use-case-blobs) because of the fact they want all the requirements. Every thing I've found online suggests something WAY simpler, like maybe 10 use-case-blobs. If anybody has any examples of what they are looking for, I'd really appreciate it. I've checked the message boards @wgu, but there are only a few links and they don't seem to show anything about the functional requirements being related to use-cases.

    I hope I'm just reading the requirements wrong...

    They really make you earn your 4 credits on this class...
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    Hello Everyone.

    I ran across this site while doing some investigating into the MS-Info Security and Assurance at WGU. A little background on me. I have a BS in Business Admin with a concentration in Computer Information Systems. I have about 12 years of experience in IT with some being desktop support and the past 8-10 years being Systems Administration, some Linux but most Windows. Right now I mainly handle the messaging environment for an organization of about 30,000 users. I handle Exchange, Lync, Enterprise Vault and do a lot of automation and scripting with Powershell. Regarding certifications, I have my A+, Linux+, an expired Red Hat Certified Technician, and an MCSE in Windows 2000. I really lost faith in certifications after finishing my MCSE due to all of the braindumps available on the Internet and seeing people who couldn't network 2 computers together passing the exams. I'm over that now and have looked at taking my Exchange certification tests.

    I've been working towards starting a Masters degree program for the better part of 10 years. I wanted to get a Masters in Computer Science so I went back to a local University (45 minutes commute) and took prerequisites since my undergrad was in business and I didn't have the Maths and Computer Science courses to enter. I was almost done with my prerequisites when I quit for personal reasons (marriage, kids, long commute, etc). Last summer I decided to pick up again so I started back in a distance education program at a different University in my state. I've taken some good classes and enjoy it but when looking at the classes I have to choose from that they offer as distance education, they don't offer much on what I really want to do. Security!! I have an extreme desire to learn more about penetration testing, forensics, and malware. I've looked at other places that offer a MS in some sort of security based program but all are pretty expensive. That is when I discovered WGU a few days ago and the MS in ISA really sounds like something I'd enjoy.

    After reading on this site and other places it seems like the type of degree I'd want to pursue. I really do like the self-paced based degree instead of sitting through hour long lectures. If I can grab some materials and pass a test in a month then why shouldn't I be able to? I'm assuming this is kind of how the CUs at WGU work.

    I sent in an inquiry a few days ago and I am supposed to get a call on Monday to talk to an enrollment counselor. I'm hoping to get more information then.

    The plan I have in my head is to stop school where I am currently attending and take a 12-18 month break due to our family expecting a third child. During this time I can start working on studying the materials for the CCENT, Certified Ethical Hacker, and Computer Hacking Forensic Investigator exams. Then hopefully when I start I can knock those out pretty quick. I'm currently reading a lot of material when I can about penetration testing, forensics, and malware reverse engineering. I also listen to quite a few security related podcasts (pauldotcom, liquid matrix, and a couple of others) and check out a few blogs.

    My question for anyone who has been in or is currently in this program is how feasible is it to finish the whole program in a year? My current pace to get my Masters in Computer Science would have me finishing in about 5 years and I just can't fathom doing that right now especially when I won't even be doing any security related classes. Even if I take 18 months off and then do a year at WGU that would put me finishing in 2.5 years....much better and I'll be learning something I want to learn.

    I've rambled enough. If anyone has any insight on my situation I would definitely appreciate it. Until then, I'll just have to wait for my talk with an enrollment counselor.

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    with your experiences id suggest looking at the mba-it program

    MBA in Technology Management | Online MBA | WGU College of Business Online

    and fill in the sec aspect that you want with a high end comp sec cert like cissp.
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    Thanks for the suggestion but I have no desire to get into management. I want to stay in the trenches and stay technical. My good friend and former manager took the manager position over our Windows Systems Engineering team and all he did was sit on phones calls in meetings day in and day out. There is no way I could do that...just not my style. He finally resigned and took the team lead position just so he could get back to being technical.

    I know that any Master's degree is going to be geared a little towards management but I feel the MS-ISA still has alot of technical requirements that I am interested in.

    Thanks again.
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    I'm in the program, it is possible to finish it in a year. I started May 1st, and you can see from my signature block how far I've gone. I wouldn't really waste time and (more importantly) money trying to study for the certification exams before you enroll. They provide you with all of the materials and books, as part of tuition, so no need to buy them yourself. Keep in mind that certifications get updated, so you could study and find things changed and you'll need to study more (or the program could change as well).

    I work full time, have a wife and son, knock out courses and still have time for a beer or two at the pub. It's do able, if you have good time management, and balance things with your schedule and previous knowledge. When you know you'll have time work on new material, if you know a big project is coming up at work then work on courses you're already familiar with so you don't need as much time to complete them. I generally have 2-3 courses open at a time, normally one I'm comfortable with and one I think I need to take more time on, so I can flip between projects as my work schedule changes. You have 6 months to complete (basically) 3 courses, so if you need to take time off you can do that (I'll be doing no course work during the last 2 weeks of August due to work, but I'm ahead of schedule so it's not an issue).
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    Thanks for the info. I won't really spend any money preparing for the certifications, I already have a subscription to Safari Books Online that I use for work. I intend on just getting a book or two every month and reading it, something dealing with forensics, pen testing, etc. Essentially just learning the different topics that are required for the exams and not the certain exam specifically.

    Thanks for the input.
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    Is it just me or is the WGU MBA IT management all writing papers?

    I have a start date of Sep 1 for MS ISA but I think I need to switch to the MBA IT Management because it doesn't look like I will have access to a testing center (I am in Afghanistan and the one we had closed from what I hear). I have a BS IT from WGU so I assume I wont have any problems switching.
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    i think the wgu network is all papers/web cam tests as well
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    Most Masters level programs are all about writing papers, and MBA should be basically two things. Writing papers, and making WBS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoTime2Burn View Post
    Anybody on here get through KFT1, specifically the UML part?

    I've finished the "busy work" tasks 1-3, and now am working on Task 4.

    I've wrote close to 2000 lines of code for the final application and tester script, finished my 220 page long test plan (no joke, I have 201 test cases), and commented the code so much my "/" key is about to fall off . All that's left is the UML stuff and I'm completely perplexed by it.

    Seems like they want an awful lot of information on the use cases, (Like a few hundred use-case-blobs) because of the fact they want all the requirements. Every thing I've found online suggests something WAY simpler, like maybe 10 use-case-blobs. If anybody has any examples of what they are looking for, I'd really appreciate it. I've checked the message boards @wgu, but there are only a few links and they don't seem to show anything about the functional requirements being related to use-cases.

    I hope I'm just reading the requirements wrong...

    They really make you earn your 4 credits on this class...
    I'm just going to throw this out there and say that you did too much. Not that what you have accomplished is not worth your while but in regards to the actual requirements, its way overboard. You only needed a single test case for each method invoked by your student class and sub classes. ex: a test case for add, delete, update, edit and query which means 5 test cases. Then for the uml, you can use the visual paradigm that the course study recommends to create UML diagrams by reverse engineering the code. But good work though
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    Hey guys, does anyone know if I took BS InfoSec, does WGU offer and other programming classes outside of my degree requirements that I'm allowed to take? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techie2012 View Post
    Not that what you have accomplished is not worth your while but in regards to the actual requirements, its way overboard.
    The cool thing about overkill is that you will learn things no one else will. That, and maybe you'll have an easier time with the Taskstream graders.
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    Thanks guys. I did get a 4.0 on every category. Thing is, the way I look at it, if it's got my name on it, it should be properly debugged and tested. I actually went light on the proper testing, but at 201 I called it good.

    I used to do QA for a major software company. This sounds stern, but is completely true. You need to imagine the most stupid thing a user could ever do, then multiply it by 10, and then program for that user. The part I completely disagreed with on the task is the extensive use of strings for the database. String manipulation is asking for trouble. isResident() should be a binary value in the database. While I'm at it, Level should have been a byte. Those things alone would have saved 38 bytes per record, which is a lot when you have a lot of students, and you're paying top dollar for storage space.

    I actually started to implement it that way until I got to the database part and realized how they set it up.
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    When receiving your transcript from WGU, at the end of each semester, is everything calculated as Competency Units or is everything converted over to college credit?

    My HR department is giving me a hard time a out this.
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    Its CU's not College credits. thats the downside of WGU not a GPA system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasiono View Post
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    When receiving your transcript from WGU, at the end of each semester, is everything calculated as Competency Units or is everything converted over to college credit?

    My HR department is giving me a hard time a out this.
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    Technically, Competency Units are college credits just like semester hours or quarter hours are college credits. WGU is a college and CUs are their credit system. A CU is equivalant to a semester hour. I finally found where they said it, but I don't remember where exactly. I don't think it was in the handbook and if you pointed it out to them, they would probably change it as quickly as they could. The problem that my HR had with it is that there is no grade assigned, just a pass/fail. Since they don't have a piece of paper saying that you received a "B" or better, they can't claim the tax write-off for reimbursing your education.

    Also, if you research their grading scale (can't remember what it is called at the moment) a pass is equivilent to a B. It is possible to convince your HR dept, but not all of them go for it. If you talk to your enrollment councilor about it, I bet he will direct you to all of their info. They want you to attend after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drovor View Post
    For the financial aid students, when did you get awarded your funds? I started July 1st but I am still waiting for financial aid to go through. I already spoke to the financial aid office and they make it seem like it was normal to take a month or so to clear. I just don't understand since I had applied to the school and financial aid a few months before my start date.

    I was told to hold off on accepting my AAV until the award was processed just in case I am not on the hook for more than originally thought. I have access to the learning resources for my first class, WFV1, but I can't schedule the test which kind of throws off my original plan for this class.
    Update: I didn't receive any award so I called again to financial aid. After they looked closer at my status they noticed that it was cleared but they never updated my financial aid verification. So now everything looks good now and I asked that they changed my start date to Aug 1st so I wouldn't have had to spend over a month and still not have WFV1 passed It actually took a lot of calls to have my start date changed. My mentor told me to call admissions, they send me to my enrollment counselor, he sent me to records, and then from records back to my mentor. The person from records contacted my mentor to go over the process since it is actually the mentor who starts the process of changing the start date. Then the enrollment counselor follows up on the request to change start dates.

    So in the end I was able to get a free month of looking at material and also received a new mentor due to the change in start date. It was somewhat of a hassle but dealing with my wife's past financial aid it never seems to be a smooth process.
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    I've got a bit of a dilemma and I need some advice. When I first heard of WGU, I only had 70-270 taken care of. I decided I would try to finish it out before enrolling. Well then comes MCITP:EA, and WGU dumps the MCSE 2003 stuff in favor of it. I trudged along and finally finished my MCSE. Now I'm in the middle of upgrading my MCSE to MCITP:EA (only passed the Win 7 exam so far), and the threat of WGU yanking MCITP:EA in favor of the new MCSE stuff is looming. Plus, I heard recently that if you upgrade to MCITP:EA, WGU still requires you to take the other exams. Is that right?

    If that's the case, I wonder if I ought to just go with the standard BS:IT degree and do my MCITP:EA on my own. I've been wanting to enroll for the longest time, and I hoped that upgrading to MCITP:EA would cut out a good chunk of the BS: IT ND&M path. I don't get paid the greatest, but in my area you pretty much have to have a degree to be taken seriously. It's probably the same elsewhere, though I can't say I've really been looking at moving out of the area.
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    @arwes: I honestly think you should do the regular BS:IT track. Why don't you do yourself a favor? Here's a small homework you can do. Print out the PDFs for the ND&M and regular IT degrees from their website and compare to see if you will be missing anything from the ND&M path in case you decided to do the regular path. From there, you can make a firm decision. Personally, I don't blame WGU for upgrading the Microsoft exams to the newer version since the last time I checked, the current one will expire at the end of next July. I can see how that will create problems for new WGU students. So, blame M$ for that.
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    I just transferred in with MCITP:EA and they waived all the system admin courses. They can send you a PDF that details which certs waive which classes. I actually sat for an extra MS web tech exam to waive all the dev classes as well. They did not seem to look at the individual exams for the EA, it looks like they just waive based on the title. I would see if you can request the transfer info PDFs for both programs and then compare which classes the cert waives for each degree.
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    For those of you who have already completed one or more of the MTA exams, do they have to be taken at a "Certiport" testing center or can they be proctored via webcam or at some other testing center.

    Thanks in advance for your answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swild View Post
    Technically, Competency Units are college credits just like semester hours or quarter hours are college credits. WGU is a college and CUs are their credit system. A CU is equivalant to a semester hour. I finally found where they said it, but I don't remember where exactly. I don't think it was in the handbook and if you pointed it out to them, they would probably change it as quickly as they could. The problem that my HR had with it is that there is no grade assigned, just a pass/fail. Since they don't have a piece of paper saying that you received a "B" or better, they can't claim the tax write-off for reimbursing your education.

    Also, if you research their grading scale (can't remember what it is called at the moment) a pass is equivilent to a B. It is possible to convince your HR dept, but not all of them go for it. If you talk to your enrollment councilor about it, I bet he will direct you to all of their info. They want you to attend after all.
    The last page of the transcripts has this information on it.
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    Courses Completed WFV1, BBC1, CLC1, LAE1, QLT1, MGC1, TPV1, INC1, INT1, BVC1, QBT1, DHV1, COV1, CQV1, CUV1, BOV1, DFV1, CSV1
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgemc View Post
    For those of you who have already completed one or more of the MTA exams, do they have to be taken at a "Certiport" testing center or can they be proctored via webcam or at some other testing center.

    Thanks in advance for your answers.
    Everything I read they have to be proctored by someone that is "certified"/"approved" as one of their official proctors. I see you are in Guam, I have a feeling there's no testing centers located there? I have a testing center near me, so I never looked deep into it.

    The way the exams work for me:

    1) I log into the certiport website on the testing centers 1 allocated certiport box
    2) I select my test
    3) The proctor then has to enter her credentials
    4) I can begin the exam

    2 and 3 might be reversed, don't really remember. My point in describing it is to let you know that it's all handled through your login/account.

    TLDR: Probably need to contact WGU
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