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    Default Why does it seem people do not go for Linux+

    This category of the forum doesnt seem to be poppin like the cisco threads. Where are all the Linux folks at. I need some motivation lol
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    Are people scare of Linux? I hope so, secures my job. At least for three more years until I retire.
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    I'm not scared of it... just not interested in it. I've taken 5 classes at the local CC and have a AAS in it... but... I truly prefer Cisco ...and the Cisco path. Some people hate Cisco and love Linux... To me... it comes down to what you are comfortable with and what keeps your interest.
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    People are scared of things that are new and/or different. It's not just Linux.
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    Seems like getting good at Linux has a crazy steep learning curve. Not necessarily scared, but put off by the time and effort investment when there are other paths just as interesting and exciting.

    Not a bad thing for Linux Admins/Support - keeps the competition down.
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    this is a certification forum. I don't think certifications are is popular for linux as they are for Microsoft or Cisco.
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    The Cisco forums are the busiest around here, even the Microsoft & VMware forums can get a bit quite sometimes too!

    As for linux, I am a better Windows engineer but I will try to learn some more linux this year with VMware. I'm not scared of it though.
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    Like someone already mentioned - I think people are afraid of what they don't know. Or, folks will generally focus on MS Windows or Mac before thinking about Linux.

    That's fine with me. I used to be one of those people too. I was afraid. I thought it was a geeky OS only for hardcore users.

    I've changed my ways and now absolutely love linux (after my job required me to learn the OS and get certified in it).

    And, for those of you who don't use VI - learn it! It's really not that complicated once you understand it.
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    Vi/ViM are staples of my workflow.
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    I'm not scared of it but I am timid around it.
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    I think most of the people who are scared of linux are the ones outside of IT. People like us have no reason to be afraid of it.
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    Now there you guys are.
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    Ajs1976 hit the nail on the head...this is a certification forum, folks are here to talk about their certification prep.

    ITrascal, if you want 'people around' then you need only post your questions about your training, or such and you will see the members come by your thread to assist or clarify the items you need made clear. Likewise, if you have some expertise and are able to assist another member, feel free to comment appropriately to their question.
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    ***I'll add you can Capitalize the word 'I' to show a little respect for yourself too.

    'i' before 'e' except after 'c'.... weird?
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    I think one of the reasons there isn't as much discussion on Linux certifications is that certification wasn't important in the world of UNIX. Over the years I've met some very very skilled UNIX admins who had no certifications. I'm assuming their peers could easily identify they knew what they were talking about.

    Are people scared of Linux? Not so much scared as perhaps not interested in the long learning required to become proficient at Linux. I have both Linux and Windows skills and I'll be the first to say learning the basics of a MS product comes quicker than Linux. Secondly, most people shuffle up through Support Desk to Desktop & are exposed to Windows..so the transition is easier to Windows Server is easier.

    Initially..Linux does appear tougher to understand and use. But as you get the feel for it, you realize it's much more flexible than Windows is & more powerful. It's just that path takes a longer time.
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    You wanted motivation..now you got it.

    Linux is the so-called different to the common Windows approach. You will find a bigger resource pool of folks skilled in Windows than Linux.
    However, you will find primarily find Linux in the backends of many critical systems worldwide. It really makes the world go round.
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    I'm not scared of it, I just believe that in the business environment is more trouble then its worth sometimes. For example I have a client that has a linux based web server that runs their photo portal. Its a web site where their clients upload and download photos that they want edited. The machine runs Red Hat 5.6 and I can't upgrade it without breaking the software that runs on top of it. So every time I have to troubleshoot it I have to walk through this process. First look at how that version of Red Hat works with Apache, Then look at how the web portal software modifies Apache, then look at how the software reseller's custom management software for the web portal modifies Apache. A 30 minute fix on windows turns into 2 to 3 hours on that machine.

    sorry for the rant.
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    I decided if I'm going to do a Linux cert, I'll the RHCSA even though I'm a Debian person. Red Hat certifications are awesome because they give you access to man pages and help menus so you don't have to memorize loads of crap you would usually look up. They test you based on what you can do not whether or not you've memorized the output of every command --help. I love performance based testing; it's more in line with how my brain works than the regurgitation of details required by multiple choice tests.
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    Redhat certs are probably the only certs that really matter in the US as far as linux goes and even then it's always usually only on the nice to have list rather than a requirement. A degree seems to be more of a requirement at times than any linux certification along with experience of course.
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    The first computer I used for a few years was a Microsoft DOS one, knew this inside out, then went to Windows 3.1/95/98 etc... When I discovered Linux in 2008 I think my DOS experience helped me not be scared, and a few starter commands were similar. But had I never experienced command line, I'm not sure I would have felt comfortable on Linux and maybe would passed it by. I can totally see why people don't want to use it or are scared.

    I use Linux regularly but want to take the L+ to get my foundation down and eliminate bad habits I've probably picked up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaper_01 View Post

    I use Linux regularly but want to take the L+ to get my foundation down and eliminate bad habits I've probably picked up!
    If you can make the CISCO CCNA you shouldn't have much trouble with Linux command line. They kinda/sorta feel the same in some ways. Not the same commands always but the same way of doing things. Netapp uses CLI too.
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    Once you install bash-completion, life will get a whole lot easier. Just double tab for the arguments to commands rather than reading through --help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W Stewart View Post
    Once you install bash-completion, life will get a whole lot easier. Just double tab for the arguments to commands rather than reading through --help.
    Tab completion is part of the BASH shell, so no need to install it. There are add ons for BASH and VI to colorize certain links, etc, and make it a bit easier to read.
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    For me personally when I have been on the job market, as some have pointed out, it has not been a requirement but more of a nice to have. Although, what I am noticing more are companies such a cisco, rapid7, RSA and others that provide their own hardware to customers their main application is built on top of the Linux OS instead of windows in order to avoid the downtime that is associated with windows patches. As a system/network admin when troubleshooting or upgrading these appliances you have to have somewhat of an Idea of what is going on in order to accomplish such tasks. Then again these companies supply support which will then take care of such things as well. I think as time moves on it could become more of the environment as more appliances/servers may be running off of the Linux core, but with Cisco and MS being the top dogs in corporate/business environment its hard to take up Linux as your strong suite of expertise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emaz View Post
    Then again these companies supply support which will then take care of such things as well. I think as time moves on it could become more of the environment as more appliances/servers may be running off of the Linux core, but with Cisco and MS being the top dogs in corporate/business environment its hard to take up Linux as your strong suite of expertise.
    Well, I don't know Windows, nor do I know Cisco, but I do manage to make a living on only Linux and Unix. I have only used some flavor of one or the other in my day-to-day job since 1988. In fact most of my work these days is just a small piece of Linux, get software that is freely available to compile and run on Red Hat, like:

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallpaper_01 View Post
    The first computer I used for a few years was a Microsoft DOS one, knew this inside out, then went to Windows 3.1/95/98 etc......I think my DOS experience helped me not be scared, and a few starter commands were similar. But had I never experienced command line, I'm not sure I would have felt comfortable on Linux and maybe would passed it by. I can totally see why people don't want to use it or are scared.
    I know exactly what you mean, my DOS 5 - 6.22 exposure is making some correlations to me having to learn Linux in my new job (started 2 weeks ago lol). I remember having LAN parties playing Doom and Quake, using DOS to make a custom network boot disk for our IPX/SPX network hahahaha...but I digress.
    I find Linux to honestly be challenging, but not impossible. Being able to have the DOS command line frame of reference has been a huge help in learning it. Like one of our instructors at work said about it the other day, "Linux is just like any other operating system, except there's 15 different ways to do the same thing".
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