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  1. Senior Member Technito's Avatar
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    Of course at some point in time the MCSA/E will be retired. But it's not really when Microsoft decide, it's when the majority of businesses decide it's time to upgrade. As a tech, I think we all want the latest, greatest and most honored certifications possible. So by all means, it never hurts to go for the latest out there. But a lot of people fail to realize from an "enterprise business" stand point, they could care less what the latest technology out there is. All they care is that their IT infrastructure is stable enough to run their business. Companies don't choose to upgrade because a product is the latest. They upgrade based on efficiency, scalability, and productivity. Microsoft's 2003 products are more in demand than it's 2008 products right now, which is why most (including myself) are pursing the 2003 stuff first. According to Microsoft, they retire certifications when they decide to stop supporting the technology. And if they stopped supporting their 2003 technology right now they'll lose tons of money and have a lot of pissed off customers. In the United States, there are many enterprise businesses out there still using old technology, such as NT and Windows 2000 Servers. As of now, MCSA/E 2003 is the way to go in my opinion. Especially with today's economic crisis, most businesses won't be in a rush to upgrade to 2008. I personally think 2003 will remain more in demand for at least another 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs View Post
    Microsoft Learning: Microsoft Certified Professional Exam Development

    the retiring in October list, no MCSE stuff there but I could believe them announcing it this spring then retiring in early 2011, should give me at the least this year to finish up what i need
    Good! I was looking for that page and must have skipped over it. I would say I agree that they will probably be anounced this year then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technito View Post
    Of course at some point in time the MCSA/E will be retired. But it's not really when Microsoft decide, it's when the majority of businesses decide it's time to upgrade.
    I think you have misunderstood the thread. We are talking about when MS will discontinue the exams; they have always said the MCSE 2003 itself will never be "retired." The MCSA/E will have relivence for a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Technito View Post
    According to Microsoft, they retire certifications when they decide to stop supporting the technology. And if they stopped supporting their 2003 technology right now they'll lose tons of money and have a lot of pissed off customers.
    Well, it is coming... Saying that does not change the fact that mainstream support for Server 2003 R2 ends in July of 2010.

    http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?alpha=Windows+Server+2003+R2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper-Me View Post
    MCITP will never gain prominence until everybody stops being able to get the MCSE, because everyone still goes for the MCSE.

    Seriously, its time to move on.
    I agree with you to a certain extent. I think the driving force of cert popularity, is the popularity of the technology itself. In my previous example loosely based on my numbers for the year, the market is still predominantly 2003. I would even venture a guess that they have 90%+ of the 'market' still. 2008 is great, I like working with it, and will have its day in the sun soon. Will it succeed more if they retired the 2003 track? Maybe. It is far less likely to pursue certification in a product you don't have/use. (I don't necessarily agree with that, but its a common trend) Also, not to sound cliche, but 'with the economy the way it is', I dont foresee an OS upgrade to 2008 anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertKaucher View Post
    I think you have misunderstood the thread. We are talking about when MS will discontinue the exams; they have always said the MCSE 2003 itself will never be "retired." The MCSA/E will have relivence for a long time.

    I didn't misunderstand the thread. That was just a general statement to some of the replies I been seeing in the "MCSA/MCSE on Windows Server 2003 General" forum. There are people spreading false news that Windows Server 2003 products and MCSE/A is going away this year or expecting an announcement that it will be. As time passes, it is however getting closer to that point but there's no such official news. There was a similar discussion going on in the Cisco forum about the CCNP being retired.
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    Will you be able to go from MCSA:2003 to the MCITP without gaining your MCSE first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompuTron99 View Post
    Will you be able to go from MCSA:2003 to the MCITP without gaining your MCSE first?
    Yes, according to my Microsoft Regional Service Center this is the path they recommend for me going from MCSA 2000 to MCITP without the MCSE:


    Exam 70-290 and Exam 70-291 will give you the credit for Exam 70-292. Once you would achieve MCSA certification on Windows server 2003, you may only take Windows server 2008 transition exam 70-648 in order to achieve following MCTS certifications.

    By passing exam 70-648 you will earn following certifications:
    MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Active Directory Configuration
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    MCTS: Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure Configuration

    Then, if you would take the exam 70-646, you would also achieve MCITP: Server Administrator certification on Windows server 2008.

    You may then take these exams to upgrade to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator certification on Windows server 2008:
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    70-620 or 70-624
    1 Professional series Enterprise Administrator certification ? 70-647
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompuTron99 View Post
    Will you be able to go from MCSA:2003 to the MCITP without gaining your MCSE first?
    http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en...mcsa.aspx#tab4

    Third column shows the path.
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    Thank you for the information. I will continue on with my prep for the 290 / 291 exams - then look into the MCITP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snadam View Post
    That being said, I would prefer a later MCSE retirement, so I have more time to complete the last 2 required exams.
    So you are hoping for two more years?

    (Somebody had to say it - )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymoore View Post
    So you are hoping for two more years?

    (Somebody had to say it - )
    Actually, three
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    Quote Originally Posted by CompuTron99 View Post
    Thank you for the information. I will continue on with my prep for the 290 / 291 exams - then look into the MCITP.
    I still havent decided if thats going to be my plan too. Im probably going for MCSE just because its been my goal for the last 7 years. Lets just call it self gratification.
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    LOL, I don't know, I may start giving snadam a run for his money. I did have a 8 month break for work/family issues, but now am back.

    If I can get motivated, surely we can cross the finish line at the same time buddy!
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