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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGenius View Post
    Out of curiosity, why are you going for both MCSE and MCITP?
    This is from my first post:

    "Why am I choosing to complete certs on a 7 year old Microsoft OS rather than work on the MCITP? That's a good question, and one I asked myself before starting on this course. Our domain is still very much mixed between 03 and 08. A total migration is on the horizon, but 03 will be around in our shop for several years to come. Because I've been working with Server 2003 for a few years now, I feel like it would be a waste to have that experience but not be able to put those letters on my resume."

    I really don't think the core functions of Windows Server have changed that much from 03 to 08. I'm sure the DNS and AD concepts I'm learning in the 03 material are pretty similar to the 08 texts. I want the MCSE for the reason above. I'm continuing on to the MCITP because I also want my skills to be up to date. When I finish the MCSE it will only be 2 exams for the upgrade anyway.

    I've got nothing but time and (reimbursement) money......why not do both?
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    I've been trying to read the chapter on network security for the last few days, been a bit rough since this is my first time going in depth with IPSEC and stuff of that nature. Hopefully should be finished the MS press book by the end of the week (wife will be on a business trip). Then I will polish off the cbt videos and hopefully be able to knock this one out by month end.
    That should be a breeze for you considering your CCNA background
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    Quote Originally Posted by xenodamus View Post
    This is from my first post:

    "Why am I choosing to complete certs on a 7 year old Microsoft OS rather than work on the MCITP? That's a good question, and one I asked myself before starting on this course. Our domain is still very much mixed between 03 and 08. A total migration is on the horizon, but 03 will be around in our shop for several years to come. Because I've been working with Server 2003 for a few years now, I feel like it would be a waste to have that experience but not be able to put those letters on my resume."

    I really don't think the core functions of Windows Server have changed that much from 03 to 08. I'm sure the DNS and AD concepts I'm learning in the 03 material are pretty similar to the 08 texts. I want the MCSE for the reason above. I'm continuing on to the MCITP because I also want my skills to be up to date. When I finish the MCSE it will only be 2 exams for the upgrade anyway.

    I've got nothing but time and (reimbursement) money......why not do both?
    My bad, I missed that in your first post. Your reasoning makes sense. I would try to do the same thing, however I don't know if I have enough time with school and preparing for my CCNA.
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    That should be a breeze for you considering your CCNA background
    Heh..I wish. It does help to already be familiar with IPSec, it's still alot of info to wrap your head around, though. I just went through that section yesterday and it's enough to give you a headache. I'm almost done with the TestOut course as a matter of fact. It's helped alot. I feel pretty confident with most of the topics at this point.

    I actually scheduled my exam yesterday......2/7/11.....round 1.

    I plan to spend the next week in the MS book and my lab. The week after that, I'll start hitting the practice questions and possibly run through TestOut again for my weak areas. I'm not sure what to expect from this exam, but I've got a second shot so I'm going for it.
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    I'm hoping the CBT videos will clear up any gray areas, with regards to that topic. Everything else I feel comfortable with for the most part. I'm still hoping to be finished with this by the end of January. Your test date is the same as my baby sister's birthday, what a coincidence.
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    Wow...it's been a while. The last month has been pretty crazy. I've been doing a little studying here and there but not nearly like I should. I almost changed jobs recently and was having to consider totally changing my study goals. But, life has settled down and I have rescheduled my 291 exam for 2/21/11. I'm not changing the date again....scout's honor. I'm actually still in the MS book, so I really feel like a slacker. I've gotta turn up the heat a little.
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    When I finish the MCSE it will only be 2 exams for the upgrade anyway.
    You need two exams to upgrade to MCITP-SA but you need three exams to upgrade to the MCITP-EA

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    You need two exams to upgrade to MCITP-SA but you need three exams to upgrade to the MCITP-EA

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    Aha...good to know. Thanks for clarifying.

    General question for anyone/everyone:

    With all the overlap between 291/293, I'm trying to decide whether to head straight for the MCSE after 291 or take the 680 and get the MCSA for a psychological boost.

    What did you do?
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    I spent most of this weekend in cram mode for the exam tomorrow. I'm going to do some light reading in the morning and take my exam at 1:30. I feel good overall, but I know I'm a little weak in RRAS and IPSec. It's not that they are overly complicated, there's just alot of info on those topics to remember.

    If I manage a pass tomorrow, I'm only 1 exam away from MCSA. I'm on the fence about what to do at that point. I spent a while earlier in the "Post your Lab PICS" thread over in the Cisco forum and it really makes me miss my gear sitting in the corner. Reading about everyone going for their CCNPs and CCIEs makes me wish I was setting up VPNs on an ASA instead of a Windows server.

    I tell myself that I should save the advanced networking studies until I have a network focused job. But, I was inches away from taking a Network Engineer position a few weeks ago. I couldn't get an interim clearance, so the deal fell through. I really feel like that's the direction I want to go in the long term, though. Maybe I'm just suffering from burn out after all the hours I put in this weekend. I think I'll cross that bridge after I finish the MCSA.
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    Whew...passed the beast with a 785. Not one of my best but I'll take it. I'm posting this mobile so I'll reply later with a more detailed review.
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    Default Thoughts on the 291

    Thanks, everyone.

    So, how bad was "the beast"? It was no walk in the park, but definitely doable if you make sure to cover all the topics thoroughly. I think what gives this exam the bad reputation is that fact that it covers such a wide range of topics. Going in with CCNA level networking knowledge and several years of general IT experience helped alot. Although I'm no expert on all the Windows Server features covered, the topics themselves were easy to grasp with background knowledge to work off.

    On this exam, just like my last one, the sims were the easiest part. I know alot of people worry about those sims, but they always seem to be pretty basic tasks. Click a radio button here.....type in an IP address there.

    DNS was my weakest area. Microsoft has a way of formatting their questions so that they WILL expose your lack of understanding on a topic. I felt like I had a decent grasp of DNS, but those multiple choice questions will put that to the test.

    In the end my resources were:

    -Test Out
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    I decided I'm going to move on to the 293 next. After getting this deep, I still feel like going for the full MCSE. I could jump on the 680 and grab the MCSA next, but I want to do the 293 while all this info is still fresh in my mind. After browsing the topics, I don't think 293 will take me as long as 291 did. There's alot of overlap.

    Good luck to everyone and happy studying!
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    I've kicked off my 293 studies with TestOut. I'm about halfway through the course and I feel really good about all the topics so far. Granted, I haven't hit PKI or clustering yet. Those look like the 2 big additions to the 291 material. I'm finding that all the repeat DNS and RRAS material is helping to drill in some concepts I may have been weak on when I took the 291. At this point I feel like the exam will be totally doable in 4 weeks or so....end of March maybe? We'll see.....
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    I finished the TestOut course for 70-293 and I'm feeling pretty good about it. PKI and clustering are the only new curveballs I've seen in this material. Everything else is a review or a spinoff of 291.

    I don't think those two topics will cause me that much grief, though. The concepts of a PKI are easy to grasp with some experience and the Security+ behind me. Clustering is a brand new subject to me, but not overly complicated. It will really just be a matter of learning the Windows interface for it.

    So, I'm starting on the CBT Nuggets this weekend and waiting on the Syngress book to arrive. I already have the MS Press, and will browse through it as well. But, I've read alot of bad things about it. I'd rather order the extra book just to be safe.

    I'm looking forward to knocking this one out since I'll be past the halfway mark at that point. I've been thinking it over and unless theres good reason for me to go for the 294 right after this one, I think I'll do the 680 next. I've been waiting to get around to that exam since we use MDT at work and they want to hand over administration of that system to me soon.
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    I received the Syngress 293 book in the mail earlier this week (HOLY CRAP). That book looks like an encyclopedia. Cover to cover it's over 1000 pages. I don't think I'll have time to really comb over the entire book before my exam. So, I think I'm just going to focus on the chapters where I feel weak. All of the 291 repeat material gets tiresome anyway.

    I'm almost through the CBT Nuggets for this one, though. I'll crack open the 293 encyclopedia after that.
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    Default 293 down...

    Well...that was the most excruciating exam I have ever taken. Some of those questions were so long I wanted to bang my head on the table halfway through.

    This one was worse for me than the 291. The 291 was all configuration and setup. The 293 was more about taking lots of factors into consideration and making high level design choices.

    I did pass...barely (733).

    I really didn't prep for this one like I should have, though. I took alot of the material for granted since it looked like a repeat of 291. I went through the TestOut course and CBT Nuggets. But, I didn't actually finish either of the books (MS and Syngress). There's a few topics in there I plan to go back over to read/lab a little more in depth.

    All in all...tough exam. Don't take this one lightly.
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    Congrats Xenodamus! I hope to join you in the next forum. You and I wrote 291 around the same time in February. I hope to knock out 293 this Friday. I was cruising through testout until hitting Certificates, Encryption and Clustering, although I do have lots of experience. Just the volume of information is huge.
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    Hey a pass is a pass! Congrats.
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