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    Default Passed the 70-411!!!

    Hello all! Before I go on my bragging spree here, I just want to say thanks. I don't post a lot but I check daily to get that encouragement and boost to help remind myself that these tests are passable and they are relevant. So thanks for that!

    Passed the 70-411 yesterday with a 721. Honestly, as much as I studied I would have hoped for a better score but a pass is a pass! I did fail it once back in August but thanks to the second shot I got another chance and studied my bum off.

    I'm not going to lie: this test was brutal. They asked VERY specific questions about the technology in scenarios that made me scratch my head. They tried to trip me up with server versions, installed roles, and orders of things installed (hint: You have to install roles before configuring them). I struggled with File Services early on. DFS is kind of a monster and FSRM wasn't something I used a lot but I eventually over came them through hours upon hours of labbing and studying. My test was 49 questions and most of it I had studied for in pretty glaring detail. I completely bombed the networking portion due to an absurd number of direct access questions (never could get my labs to work no matter what I tried).

    My study advice is as always to lab the crap out of EVERYTHING. If you can lab it, lab it. If you can't lab, try to lab it. If that still doesn't work, study every little bitty detail you can about that technology. Beyond that, know your powershell. There are a lot of similar powershell commands in these technologies that you need to know the differences between them. Also, with the 411 you need to know the technologies in glaring detail. I was amazed by some of the questions they came up with that seems to have absolutely no relevance.


    In conclusion, I figured I would post my study resources for those interested.
    MCSA Windows Server 2012 R2 Administering Study Guide by Panek
    I found this to be less than useful. It dove into VPN technolgoies and Dial Up technologies in a detail that wasn't relevent to the exam. Also other sections it seemed to skip over completely. It was not very helpful compared to the 410 book by the same author.

    Mastering Windows Server 2012 by Minasi
    This book was helpful and had answers to a lot of my questions and definitely was more comprehensive than the Panek book. I got this after failing the first time. It did lack detail in some areas and I found the layout to be a little challenging but all-in-all it was helpful.

    Windows Server 2012 Inside Out Series by Stanek (Vol 1) (Vol 2)
    Got this with my MCP eBook discount as reference materials. They are similar to the Panek book but lacking still like every book seems to. I used these mostly as a reference to look up areas I struggled in when nothing else made sense.

    Transcender Practice Exams
    So for my 70-410 test, Transcender knocked it out of the park. However, for the 70-411, I found them to be very lacking. I remember there weren't many detailed BitLocker questions and the questions as a whole were far more complicated than they needed to be. You would read through 3-4 paragraphs of useless info to get to the important stuff and the actual question. The real test is not so much like that. The flash cards were somewhat helpful as a quick study tool and the technets they linked were useful.

    Boson Practice Exams
    I tried these on a whim. I have heard MeasureUp don't really cut it and didn't want to waste money after my first failure and Transcender exams that were essentially useless. Boson did really well. The questions are lengthy enough and detailed enough to confuse you (like MS) but not so much that you got lost in the information. The technets linked were concise and relevant. When I took the 411 the first time I saw some commands that had not come up in any of my study. These same commands showed up in a similar (not identical) question in Boson so that was neat to see that they were keeping up. Also they are cheaper for just the practice exams $99.

    Again, like I said early on, lab a lot. I have a Quad Core setup with 24 GB of ram and another dual core setup with 12 GB of RAM to do my labs. I did use MVA labs for DirectAccess and a couple of little things but most of my work was done on home labs.

    Sorry this is so lengthy. I just wanted to cover all the bases for those who are looking to take this themselves. I want to have my experience matter in helping others get along as I am off to start prepping for the 70-412.

    Good luck with your exams everyone.
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    Thanks for the info and well done good luck for the future!!!!!
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    I just read your post, I will attempt this exam with in two weeks. did u used dumps for this exam?
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    Congrats and thanks for your opinions on the study materials you used. I plan on taking this within 2 weeks and it's been a lot easier to grasp then 70-410 because I use a lot of it regularly at work. I agree on the Panek book, it's pretty much useless on 70-411 and not great on 70-410. After wasting my time on Panek's book I decided to get http://www.amazon.com/Training-Admin.../dp/0735684693 and it seems pretty solid and clearly describes the technologies, lots of labbing too. I plan to use Boson practice tests again, they were pretty good for 70-410, your opinion solidified it. I tried transcender for ICND1 and they were terrible, glad I didn't have to pay for it, wgu.

    Are you on to 70-412 now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toronto123 View Post
    Hi
    I just read your post, I will attempt this exam with in two weeks. did u used dumps for this exam?
    Never. Dumps violate the TOS and NDA and I really don't want to lose the cert I am working so hard to get. It's learnable without them, it just takes a lot of work and perhaps 1 or 2 failed tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by techfiend View Post
    Are you on to 70-412 now?
    I am. I'm kind of taking a short break before I start. My poor wife barely recognizes me away from my computer desk these days. I was spending up to 6 hours a day studying and averaging 3-4 hours per day for about a month there towards the end. I'm letting my poor brain rest before I start up again.
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    Nice pass, I'm studying for the 70-412 now and hopefully taking the exam next month.
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    Congratulations! I've lost one round to this beast!

    But I'm going back in Saturday after next! I just missed it the last time, and I think that I can get it done this time, so I'm really inspired by your coming back and beating this test!
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    70-412 scared me off halfway through Orin Thomas' book. Failover clustering and hyper-v was interesting but a majority of it is relatively boring (to me) ad security like adrms and adfs which I don't recall ever seeing in a job description. I've never seen someone write this test was easy either, most say it's very difficult.

    An alternative is 74-409 which is hyper-v, system center and azure. All are in demand and the study is very interesting, my favorite mcsa so far. Orin Thomas has a free 150 page study guide that's clearly written at http://www.veeam.com/wp-study-guide-...em-center.html unfortunately it doesn't have labs like his 70-410-412 guides but I've read it's enough to pass the test. I'm trying to get access to the labs at Virtualization Specialist Quest (Exam 74-409) - Early Experts Study Group - Site Home - TechNet Blogs because labbing is where I learn best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfiend View Post
    70-412 scared me off halfway through Orin Thomas' book. Failover clustering and hyper-v was interesting but a majority of it is relatively boring (to me) ad security like adrms and adfs which I don't recall ever seeing in a job description. I've never seen someone write this test was easy either, most say it's very difficult.
    I'm not pretending its going to be easy, trust me. I made that mistake with the 411. Everyone told me that if you pass the 410 the 411 is cake. It was anything but.

    I have worked in two environments (one medium sized one gigantic) where ADCS was a big part of the work. I also know for a fact that the company I am with now does a lot trusts and uses ADFS. That being said, they don't include it on a resume but put the expectation that the guys doing those jobs have MCSA or MCSA level experience. I'm curious if the implication is there with those certs. ADRMS, I think, is a pipe dream Microsoft is still pushing on the world.

    All of that being said, I'm quite interested in ADCS. I think it is a neat technology despite the inherent flaws that PKIs have. What I'm struggling with currently with the 412 is the obscene number of Powershell cmdlets that seem to be potential things to know. Holy crap there are a lot.
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    I made the mistake on 411 too and just barely passed. The 410 seemed much easier to me, probably because I was more familiar with the material.

    Thanks for mentioning the real life experience of the AD security roles. I don't know if I just have trouble grasping it or if it's just overly complex but doing the labs for those I was jumping between 3 or 4 tools regularly unlike other labs. Maybe Server 2016 will improve setting up these roles because they could really use it. Domain trusts were an interesting part of the 412 and fairly straightforward. PKI I'm interested in but I think I'm more interested in how it works than implementing and maintaining it, seems to be overwhelming.

    Even though I'm now MCSA certified powershell is still kind of daunting to me. Some of it makes a lot of sense like the one-liners that save a lot of time over gui but then they throw in a paragraph that could be done in a few seconds in gui. Getting to know what to do in powershell vs gui is half the battle. After working with bash for years and recently cisco, powershell seems more like a higher level scripting language like batch then a shell command interpreter, should be used for automating over controlling. I wonder if I'll ever have to learn how to work on core without RSAT, that's something I wouldn't look forward to.
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    I get the Powershell thing. And you are right, it is more than just an one off scripting language. It has complete accessibility to all components of the .NET framework. I have a coworker who writes full on GUIs using powershell. Its pretty cool what you can do with it but it is far more complicated that batch was. The catch to that is that batch's commands were very sporadic and weren't easy to look up. Powershell you can do a Get-Command and bam you have a page of commands and at least some direction. Batch and some of the older windows commands (netsh, netdom, ntdsutil) have some odd syntaxes that involve throwing a question mark after everything until the command makes a little sense.

    So far the 412 has been daunting though. I have really just gotten started and already I am painfully confused about BranchCache and IPAM. I'm going to start diving into them more probably starting next week but already I know those are going to challenge me a lot and I haven't even started on AD RMS or ADFS yet.
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    Congrats on the pass! I am taking 70-411 November 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfiend View Post
    Congrats and thanks for your opinions on the study materials you used. I plan on taking this within 2 weeks and it's been a lot easier to grasp then 70-410 because I use a lot of it regularly at work. I agree on the Panek book, it's pretty much useless on 70-411 and not great on 70-410. After wasting my time on Panek's book I decided to get http://www.amazon.com/Training-Admin.../dp/0735684693 and it seems pretty solid and clearly describes the technologies, lots of labbing too. I plan to use Boson practice tests again, they were pretty good for 70-410, your opinion solidified it. I tried transcender for ICND1 and they were terrible, glad I didn't have to pay for it, wgu.

    Are you on to 70-412 now?

    This book so far has been good because like you said it has a lot of lab to it. I'm close to done on reading the book. My exam is like 3 weeks from now.

    Boson Practice Exams
    I tried these on a whim. I have heard MeasureUp don't really cut it and didn't want to waste money after my first failure and Transcender exams that were essentially useless. Boson did really well. The questions are lengthy enough and detailed enough to confuse you (like MS) but not so much that you got lost in the information. The technets linked were concise and relevant. When I took the 411 the first time I saw some commands that had not come up in any of my study. These same commands showed up in a similar (not identical) question in Boson so that was neat to see that they were keeping up. Also they are cheaper for just the practice exams $99.


    Thank you for the review on this exam site. I was looking for something like this. I had Transcend whatever it's called and didn't like it at all. Some of the questions did make any sense or had anything to do with the exam. I plan to purchase this about 1 week 1/2 before the exam to get started on it.

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    Congrats on the pass bud! I've got this on the 17th and not feeling it at all, its ALL very boring for me as I only need this for my MCSE SharePoint. I'm hoping for a 700 score
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    Congrats on the pass bud! I've got this on the 17th and not feeling it at all, its ALL very boring for me as I only need this for my MCSE SharePoint. I'm hoping for a 700 score
    Very cool. I rescheduled my exam for the 17th. All I need is this and then I've got my MCSA!
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