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    MCSAs actually do expire - they expire when the technology is no longer supported. MCSAs are bound to the server version they represent. As long as that version is in use, the certification should be valid as Microsoft does not intend to add new features to that.

    MCSEs while still bound to a server version cover the abstract understanding of why do we use certain technology. That aspect of the technology can evolve as technology evolves some. Furthermore, it is an Expert level certification. Most certifications that are considered "Expert" level, require continuing education of some kind.

    Lastly, it was mentioned that you have to take an upgrade exam for MCSA to go from one server version to another and how it isn't needed for the next version. If the MCSE covers 2016 topics, a MCSA in 2016 is relevant. Additionally, eventually the MCSE will have the current version MCSA as a requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elad123 View Post
    This could be a stupid question.. but I really don't understand the logic being Microsoft certifications anymore. Are Microsoft expecting people to keep their MCSA and MCSE's both current?
    Makes sense for companies that are Microsoft partners or certified training centers. In fact, it is a requirement.
    For example, the Datacenter competency requires 4 MCSEs for the Gold Partner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poolmanjim View Post
    Additionally, eventually the MCSE will have the current version MCSA as a requirement.
    I wounder how that works when you go to re-certify? Does that mean you need to have the current MCSA + take the recertification exam for your chosen MCSE ? It doesn't read like that on their website, for example if I look at the MCSE Server Inf https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/lear...am-70-980.aspx the recertification is a single exam it doesn't specifically mention anything about a current MCSA. But then.... it says this:

    "This exam is for individuals looking to maintain their MCSE: Server Infrastructure certification. It is based on the exam objectives from Exam 413 and Exam 414."

    It doesn't even included the objectives from the MCSA.. Microsoft are making their certifications as difficult as their licensing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elad123 View Post
    I wounder how that works when you go to re-certify? Does that mean you need to have the current MCSA + take the recertification exam for your chosen MCSE ? It doesn't read like that on their website, for example if I look at the MCSE Server Inf https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/lear...am-70-980.aspx the recertification is a single exam it doesn't specifically mention anything about a current MCSA. But then.... it says this:

    "This exam is for individuals looking to maintain their MCSE: Server Infrastructure certification. It is based on the exam objectives from Exam 413 and Exam 414."

    It doesn't even included the objectives from the MCSA.. Microsoft are making their certifications as difficult as their licensing.
    I haven't taken the MCSE, but the way I understand it is that there's only 1 exam needed to re-certify every 3 years. The MCSA is *technically* valid for life as it doesn't really expire, it just moves into Legacy status on your transcript after Microsoft retires the technology, which is usually after it falls out of the scope of extended support.
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    #30
    If you have your MCITP: EA 2008, you should have also been granted MCSA 2008 sometime after that. I got my MCSE 2012 after taking the 3 exams needed to upgrade.

    So if you have MCSA 2008 or 2012, and take the upgrade exam that should get you MCSA 2016.

    I would really LOVE to hear from those few that are or have taken the upgrade exam (70-743).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiki162 View Post
    I would really LOVE to hear from those few that are or have taken the upgrade exam (70-743).
    Me too. No doubt it will be littered with questions about Azure and other cloud stuff.

    I stumbled on this link to help prep: exam 70-743, studyguide 70-743 | Marius Sandbu
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    I understand Microsoft's reasoning for wanting to make the MCSE-level certs renewable, it's the renewals that gave the likes of Cisco a good reputation in the past; the same reasoning was used when VMware decided to make their certs expire and need to be renewed, as opposed to simply upgraded from release to release.

    That being said, it made so much more sense for each MCSA/MCSE (and later, MCITP,) to track to a specific technology. Even with the advent of the R2 updates, things don't really change that much for a single version of Windows Server over the course of it's lifetime. If you got your MCSA 2012 certification when Windows Server 2012 RTM came out, those skills and that knowledge still serves you well today, the only changes were a few updates that Microsoft didn't consider impacting enough to make a whole new version out of. It's really only when a new platform comes out, (look at the jump from the Windows Server 2003 to 2008, and the jump from 2012 to 2016,) when you need to update your skills.

    I'd love to see Microsoft go back to the methodology they had with the MCITP certs. The idea was that you took a certain number of MCTS exams, which focused on specific technology, along with one or two PRO exams which focused on design and management. The plan they had for upgrades was that the PRO exams were broad in scope, and you just needed to take newer versions of the MCTS exams to upgrade yourself to the latest MCITP. The way you can think of it is like this: if you took the MCSA 2012 and then did MCSE: Server Infrastructure, you'd just need to take the upgrade exam for MCSA 2016 to be current on both certs, since the MCSA is meant to be technology-specific and the MCSE is more about architecting, management, and design.

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    so i sat the upgrade exam today. Man i wish i had studied some more! Anyone who has there server 2012 certs and brushes up on the new stuff in server 2016 should find this exam reasonable. I have been out of the game for too long so i reckon i have failed this one.

    I got bombarded with ipam questions. For such a crappy product MS really targeted my exam anyway.

    I would recommend brushing up on the new stuff in:

    - ipam
    - ADFS
    - Hyper-v
    - Clustering

    An know obscure powershell commands to do with the above. Dissapointed that i hardly got anything on nano.

    Also, it wasn't broken up into 3 sections like past upgrade exams have been. There was 10 question section where once answered you couldn't go back but after that it was just a straight up exam.
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    Cool, thanks for the review. Good luck to you!

    I wish I had been able to get a seat, I just finished my 2012 MCSA in April, so it's all still relatively fresh
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    there was also a tonne of standard DNS questions.

    If it get my act together i will post some good video links for server 2016 viewing.
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    I was preparing for 70-410 and I saw now 2016 is available. I am thinking to start preparing for 2016 rather than 2012 is it a good idea or bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackzer0 View Post
    I was preparing for 70-410 and I saw now 2016 is available. I am thinking to start preparing for 2016 rather than 2012 is it a good idea or bad?
    Great question! I too wonder when 2012 will be taken down.
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    It won't be removed anytime soon. Companies are still migrating to 2012 and won't jump to 2016 immediately. This exam will be relevant for the next few years at the least. Get 2012 now and then do the upgrade exam to 2016 later.
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    Considering that the 2008 exams are being retired next year, nearly a full decade after they launched, I wouldn't worry too much about the 2012 path going away any time soon.

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    I having been studying on and off for 70-410 and now I'm have been in full gear to get one test under my belt. Then I see 2016 exam coming soon and I wonder if I should just do the 70-740. So it seams they change the layout of what you need to know for the exam. So now I would need to study clustering which I haven't spent too much time on. Then you have need features such as nano and containers that I would still need to learn. Now I'm just thinking to stay with 2012 R2 and then upgrade later. I'm about ready to take the plunge but if I go the 2016 route I have to learn different stuff and the training material is not as highly available as 2012 R2 material is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wseyller View Post
    I having been studying on and off for 70-410 and now I'm have been in full gear to get one test under my belt. Then I see 2016 exam coming soon and I wonder if I should just do the 70-740. So it seams they change the layout of what you need to know for the exam. So now I would need to study clustering which I haven't spent too much time on. Then you have need features such as nano and containers that I would still need to learn. Now I'm just thinking to stay with 2012 R2 and then upgrade later. I'm about ready to take the plunge but if I go the 2016 route I have to learn different stuff and the training material is not as highly available as 2012 R2 material is now.
    I would stick to the 2012 exams, I imagine it will benefit you more on the job than 2016 would as 2012 is already out there being used by a lot of companies.
    Then upgrade to 2016 doing 1 more exam and you are qualified in both... Doing just 2016 would take 3 exams for 1 technology, whereas 2012 then 2016 would take 4 exams.

    Also, like you said, there is more information on 2012 out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wseyller View Post
    I having been studying on and off for 70-410 and now I'm have been in full gear to get one test under my belt. Then I see 2016 exam coming soon and I wonder if I should just do the 70-740. So it seams they change the layout of what you need to know for the exam. So now I would need to study clustering which I haven't spent too much time on. Then you have need features such as nano and containers that I would still need to learn. Now I'm just thinking to stay with 2012 R2 and then upgrade later. I'm about ready to take the plunge but if I go the 2016 route I have to learn different stuff and the training material is not as highly available as 2012 R2 material is now.

    If you've been studying for the 2012 I'd just stay on that path and upgrade to 2016 later. 2012 will still be relevant for quite some time and after you upgrade to 2016 you'll have both certs for your resume! Good luck!
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    Well at long last it appears that the beta testing period for Exam 70-743: Upgrading Your Skills to MCSA: Windows Server 2016 is complete.
    First published 22 July 2016, it took just a little over 3 months.

    Looking forward to hearing some good news from those that have taken the exam earlier & will be receiving their score reports.
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    Add Exam 744: Securing Windows Server 2016 to the track

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/lear...am-70-744.aspx)
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    Got my beta results and I somehow managed to pass with 764. Not the best score but a pass is a pass. I have to say this exam was a lot easier than the MCSA 2012 exam. The fact that they don't break it down into sections where you cant go back any more should make it a lot easier for you guys looking to update. Good luck!
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    Assist me I had already booked for 70-410, 411 and 412 advise should I cancel and proceed with the new courses.
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    Which is the best practice test engine to use 70-410 -414
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    Beta testing period for Exam 70-740 has finished.
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