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    I don't know if I want to rollover my certs...because you keep paying it to renew it.
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    "oh, i see. I hope the certificate doesn't look as dull as comptia's."

    They will NOT look like CompTIA certs. And the new Pin <YES you get a lapel pin> will be much nicer than the old ETA pins. I'm very pleased with what my graphics team has come up with.

    the down side is you will have to wait about 4 weeks as all the supplies ordered are all custom made.

    In the meantime, may I suggest you take advantage of the +/- 2,000 practice tests you can download?

    Further after you install the Quiz engine, really look it over. I have discovered over years that many people do not take advantage of the customizable nature of the engine. I guess we we're just too clever when we hid the customizing features under the term "Options" in the menu bar.

    Next time we're be sure to deliver that in 48 point type and a high voltage eletcric shock via the keyboard when installing

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    I was playing with the "Create a Quiz" function... Very cool!
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    http://www.studyexam4less.com/forum.asp?ID=1017

    Since the ETA-I has recently surfaced on a more visible level then it has previously known, a number of trainers are asking what is so special about the org?

    As a trainer and member of the ETA-I for almost 4 years, I would like to answer that.

    First the mis-conception. The ETA is not competing with CompTIA. CompTIA is a trade organization for the trade companies. The ETA is there for the tech.

    The ETA has certification tests in areas outside of those areas that CompTIA has , such as Bio-Medical, fiber optics, industrial etc. While some trainers in Project+ couldn't care less about splicing fiber, it is a large area of expertise and the only practical place I know to go under one house, the ETA.

    Their monthly PDF newsletter has more great training in one source then I have ever seen. For example I learned more about the details of how an LCD monitor works than anything I ever read elsewhere.
    Let's talk about conventions. I've gone to Break Away Exchange a number of times @ $2,000. I have always felt I got solid value for my money attending this CompTIA meeting. The ETA has the SRC meeting. It also includes 3 meals a day as part of the show. The fee for the SRC show was $300. OK. To be fair a few class sessions were not free. I wanted to attend the day long fiber optics splicing course which had a $75 materials fee, and I couldn't. I had 2 sessions of my own to present on that day.

    Last and certainly not least the reason why you want to inform your students of this choice is their careers.
    It is about that extra edge. Today if one candidate has A+ and another one has A+ & CST, which looks better?

    Tommorow it will be a *disadvantage* to NOT have an ETA-I cert. This is because I have committed my time, money and energy to get ETA tests out to less developed countries with test fees running at our current equivilent of 2 days wages at the minimum wage of that country. So for example, in Mexico the A+ of CST will be one hundred pesos, or $10. USD. This is not a pipe dream. My office in Mexico is being set up now. There are millions of geeks who just cannot afford over $200 for a test when the going pay rate per day is less than what YOU pay for lunch. It is my mission to fix that.

    Don't mis-read me, please. This SE Asia vet loves his country. But we now live in a flat world. I'm going to help the hard working geeks worldwide have a standardized test they can afford. Since there are more non-US citizens than US citizens, you might want to get the training material offered by me and the ETA along with your CST and/or CNST and join the rest of the world.

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    I planned to include something in a PM, asking you about your reasons for being involved in ETA so much. Your post answers all that though. Good luck with making it happen, and if this takes off, we'll definitely add an ETA forum. Would be nice if you can throw in some numbers of ETA certified individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webmaster
    I planned to include something in a PM, asking you about your reasons for being involved in ETA so much.
    Can you make it a public posting? I'd like to know the reason as well.
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    I meant to say he already answered in his post what I was about to ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tcat
    There are millions of geeks who just cannot afford over $200 for a test when the going pay rate per day is less than what YOU pay for lunch. It is my mission to fix that.
    But if there's more to it, I'd love to hear about it Tcat.
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    one question. Why is this rollover thing only bieng offered by Study4less?
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    #58
    Quote Originally Posted by elover_jm
    one question. Why is this rollover thing only bieng offered by Study4less?
    And our esteemed webmaster... whom is very generously giving the energy for this thread... It is sorta like that movie, Lilies Of The Field.

    "Insurance... I don't know if there is a higher power. If there is I'm buying insurance and doing some good."

    I approached StudyExam4Less over 3 years ago along with other folks all in the same morning. The SE4L group responded with a line like, "Let's grow together". This was in response to a sorta a tightening of the screw from another non-profit org that I took exception to.

    Others didn't respond at all or came back at me with a lot of negative stuff. Sorry. I don't have enough life left in me to play the hostile game.

    Ok. Enough decades have gone by since I have seen Lilies of the Field and Sydney P in that 1960's movie that I may not be quoting exact enough for google...

    And at the very soul of my being... I thank our host here for giving the time/money/energy for giving us all a true alternative to a trade only org. Somebody has to stand up for the solo geek. That would be me and StudyExam4Less whom has chosen to stand with me.

    We are NOT looking for how many pennies we can shake out of your pockets. Together we do undertand that by according to Spiderman, "with great power comes great responiblity" .... if we can get a penny times many geeks we can power a machine that lets us all grow together.

    I am personally leaving the USA to both reduce my overhead and expand the IT Touch South Of The Border. To me, better to bring some business back to North America than seeing ALL of it go across the water.

    So look for me in Mexico. Yes. I am after over 30 years leaving the MS mothership. Sure. Some sadness about that. And with looking @ the footprint I have left on this planet, I need to hussle and do good. Not complaining about my part in making computers generic. That is part of my and MS legacy. And I'm still here so time to do more, heh?

    Best, Tcat
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    Quote Originally Posted by elover_jm
    one question. Why is this rollover thing only bieng offered by Study4less?
    Maybe I was too tired to see other ways of reading your question last night... (my class got out at 9:30 PM local --- great kids!)

    The reason for an Exclusive with SE4L. Most of my (C) material is there and in co-op with SE4L we can choose to give it away for "free" which costs us in bandwidth, storage, etc. <real money> Many folks give something away. As I said, "insurance". And we're not going to have our contribution taken away by someone else. Yes, sad to say there are people who would run up and take the bow for the gifts other have given...
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    I went for it, at first I didn't want anything to do with it since I had never heard of them. Did a little research and decided to do it.

    Can’t hurt anything to have it.

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    is it however worth paying $69 for CNST and then $49 for CST since CNST needs A+ and Network+ together.
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    I think the better question is why should anyone pay for this at all? I have nothing against the ETA, and if they want to create a cert similar to A+ and Net+ thats fine. The thing I don't like about this is there is no requirement for anything but an A+/Net+, so every person with those certs are qualified, unless they don't have or don't want to spend the money for them. One of the arguements for purchasing these certs (and that's all it is, you haven't earned anything) is that it gives you an edge with prospective employers. It's almost like bribery, except you give money to a third party and they give you some letters to put on your resume. Any employer who understood how one achieve's a CST and sees both A+ and CST on a resume would likely either not care, or perhaps even realize the applicant had spent 50 dollars on some letters that are rendered meaningless by the A+ and look down on him or her. The only real use is pandering to ignorant employers.

    Having said that, if there is any error in my statements I apologize and hope that someone will point it out. Also, I doubt any of this was ETA's intention, they were more likely trying to get their name out and gain credibility in the IT world.
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    hey you got some pretty solid points there. I'd love to see what TCAT's response would be?
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    although i must say tht i went for em both. I guess the point is really if you don't see were it benefits you, then don't spend your money for them.

    As far as i'm concern, these cert can definitely new lights to earning better incomes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elover_jm
    although i must say tht i went for em both. I guess the point is really if you don't see were it benefits you, then don't spend your money for them.
    In most cases I would agree. Something I forgot to mention was that it's possible that this could also do a disservice to the people that don't want to buy them. Why would a non-tech HR person hire an applicant with only two certs over one with four? Everything else equal the one with four would probably get the job. I don't think I'm the only person that would rather get a job on my own merits than by playing "who spent more money on a piece of paper." I'm not telling anyone not to go and spend their money on those certs, I'm just giving them something to think about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elover_jm
    although i must say tht i went for em both. I guess the point is really if you don't see were it benefits you, then don't spend your money for them.

    As far as i'm concern, these cert can definitely new lights to earning better incomes.
    I dont see the point in going for both of them if you already have A+ and Network+ tbh. A CNST would suffice surely? what purpose does having a CST benifit you if you have a CNST and this equates to a A+ AND network+ together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalebksp
    In most cases I would agree. Something I forgot to mention was that it's possible that this could also do a disservice to the people that don't want to buy them. Why would a non-tech HR person hire an applicant with only two certs over one with four? Everything else equal the one with four would probably get the job. I don't think I'm the only person that would rather get a job on my own merits than by playing "who spent more money on a piece of paper." I'm not telling anyone not to go and spend their money on those certs, I'm just giving them something to think about.
    If you did the rollover and stopped there your argument might have merit. You are, however, thinking in the old CompTIA mindset where you get your paper and that's it.

    The rollover serves as an introduction to the Electronics Technicians Association - International. This is an organization with which I am proud to be member. I am a technician by trade. I appreciate an organization that exists as a resource for ME. CompTIA will take your money and that's it. The ETA provides opportunities such as personal networking, additional certifications that can enhance my career, and avenues in which I can grow both personally and professionally.

    I think you view professional organizations in the wrong light. It should not be "what's in it for me?" It should be more of a "How can I get more involved and improve myself and my profession?"

    ETA has given me opportunities to improve my writing, presentation skills, and customer relations skills. I regularly communicate through the Association with peers in academia and industry. I serve on committees to develop and revise certification competencies. I am a better technician for it. It's not just the letters behind your name that will impress prospective employers. Leadership positions, committee participation, industry involvement is what will seperate you from others in the job market. I'm not just spouting off a bunch of Association rhetoric, this is based on personal experience. My participation has truly enhanced my career.

    You should think beyond simply IT. You limit yourself greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elover_jm
    hey you got some pretty solid points there. I'd love to see what TCAT's response would be?
    SuperTech really hit the nail on the head for me and the larger issue.

    AND

    I'm going to fully fess up for working this gig for the past 3 years to:

    Get ETA-I better known.

    USE for the benifit of all geeks the wierd ways of being in HR.

    So we can have a truely (in deep numbers) a set of standards that are affordable for all. YES, as I said before, if US/UK/Canada pays 2 or 3 bucks more than 2 days mininum wage for a cert or gosh darn impress HR with some letters.... who(m) is harmed?

    I believe enough in this to be putting my Time Money and Energy into this. You are off the mark if you think *anyone* would think in a bad light a roll over... At least anyone with hiring authority. Is HR Impressed? Too often. Anyone who dug and saw the roll over, would see the candidate as clever. Generally not a bad attribute in an candidate.

    And as SuperTech pointed out, you really have missed the entire point. This is a group of geeks for geeks. It is time we start taking control of our careers. Go right on thinking nobody knows who the ETA-I is. If you think so it is because you never served in the Miltary or attended a electronic trade school.

    Over 22,000 people are fiber optic certified alone. For some reason I cannot fathom, ETA didn't count them because there is no transistors in the fiber!!!! <so it isn't electronic!> I sorta took exception to that...

    I'm not telling you that you need to join or get your letters... This bus is going, with or without you. Dig deeper into what the ETA has done. Then dig into my past (Tim Catura-Houser) now Tcat Houser. I'm driving this bus. My history says this is future history. I'm putting Tcat Full Time on this. If I remain alive, watch the magic. I promise.

    This is too powerful for the geeks to ingore. HR will follow rapidly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tcat
    Get ETA-I better known.

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    btw how many are members of ETA-I now Tcat? i am just curious as to you honestly eating a toad if 100,000 dont join up by 2nd Nov 2006
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    I did not intend to insult you or your organization, and don't believe I did. I didn't write this to start an arguement, rather a discussion. It's interesting that you have to come back with personal attacks, of which some are kind of bizarre. Tcat stated "Go right on thinking nobody knows who the ETA-I is." Well, I never said that, nor implied or eluded to it. Seeing as there are people close to me that splice fiber-optics on a daily basis and have ETA certification, I certainly don't believe ETA is unknown. The closest thing I said to that was "Also, I doubt any of this was ETA's intention, they were more likely trying to get their name out and gain credibility in the IT world." Which I don't recognize the fallacy, ETA is not a big name in IT certification at present. If you want to offer people a way into your organization then why not say "Give us 20 dollars and you can be a member of the ETA, provided you have some certification or relevant professional experience"?

    Here's my point that I think you missed: The only problem I have is that the ETA is selling a useless certification, I am not saying that being a member of the ETA is useless.

    To me, putting A+, Net+, CST, and CNST as your certifications looks as professional as putting MCSE, MCSA, and MCP.

    If you want to refute this and have a discussion, then by all means do so. On the other hand, if you want to tell me that I'm "limiting myself" and trade insults, do so with someone else.
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    Gosh Kale, sorry if you were insulted. Certainly not my intention. I merely tried to convey my ardent support of the ETA. As in life, it's not simply what you wear but how you wear it.
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    I apologize for being a bit touchy, I've been up since 10 AM yesterday, which is about 31 hours according to AKST. I do understand what you're saying, I suppose I just would have gone about it a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalebksp
    I think the better question is why should anyone pay for this at all? I have nothing against the ETA, and if they want to create a cert similar to A+ and Net+ thats fine. The thing I don't like about this is there is no requirement for anything but an A+/Net+, so every person with those certs are qualified, unless they don't have or don't want to spend the money for them. One of the arguements for purchasing these certs (and that's all it is, you haven't earned anything) is that it gives you an edge with prospective employers. It's almost like bribery, except you give money to a third party and they give you some letters to put on your resume. Any employer who understood how one achieve's a CST and sees both A+ and CST on a resume would likely either not care, or perhaps even realize the applicant had spent 50 dollars on some letters that are rendered meaningless by the A+ and look down on him or her. The only real use is pandering to ignorant employers.

    Having said that, if there is any error in my statements I apologize and hope that someone will point it out. Also, I doubt any of this was ETA's intention, they were more likely trying to get their name out and gain credibility in the IT world.
    If I understand correctly, the CST and CNST are certs that you need to "renew" in a sort of way. You have to show that you are up to date in the field of that certification. This makes this different than the CompTIA certs unless you take the CompTIA tests every year or 2 to show you are up to date.
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    Could someone tell me how long has ETA been running the CST and CNST exams? just curious as to why it has not in my eyes been recognised until i seen this rollover from A+ and Network+ to ETA certifications.
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    Could someone tell me how long has ETA been running the CST and CNST exams? just curious as to why it has not in my eyes been recognised until i seen this rollover from A+ and Network+ to ETA certifications.
    I am unsure how long ETA-I has offered these exams. But the rollover from A+/Net+ to CST/CNST has been available for at least a couple of years. I'd considered converting my A+ to CST about 2-3 years ago. Probably will now.

    Incidentally, I heard about ETA-I long before the proliferation of the internet. To my knowledge, the organization has been recognized for quite some time by the telecom and component repair folks.
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