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    I don't think an apology is necessary - it is a threaded discusion, not a threaded lecture after all.
    Also I don't think your posts are off track, they add value to the disussion.
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    In my opinion, there has to be a gauge. There has to be some way to gauge knowledge and dedication. In our field it is in the form of degrees and certs. Both of them help. Both show a level of dedication on the part of the person who has obtained them. Certs will allow you to gain knowledge but degrees gain respect. Not that certs don't gain respect also, but they do only amongst your peers in your field. Degrees are universal. They cross all careers fields. Saying you have your CCNA to a CEO of a company might not mean jack, but saying you have your Bachelors means a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by remyforbes777
    Saying you have your CCNA to a CEO of a company might not mean jack, but saying you have your Bachelors means a lot more.
    That is a very good point...if the person you are talking to does not know the value of certs, then they won't value you accordingly. Also true is that the vast majority of people out there know what a Bachelors Degree is, but not as many know what Net+ or CCNA means.

    That was how my interview was now that I think about it. I told my wife that the Superintendent (I work in a school district) did not even look up or ask me any questions. She (who works in a different school) told me that was because he probably didn't know what we were talking about, but if it involved Dollars-and-Cents then he would've been more involved since that's what he knows and cares more about...He was just there because he had to be.

    But, it all worked out for me! Now, about that raise...
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    All good points and comments regarding my post, however I will point out again that you will eventually hit a ceiling with respect to pay and possibly promotions when and if you finally make it past the helpdesk/pc tech/desktop support level.

    Certs are great, they complement your knowledge and certify your skills, but they pale in comparison to a college degree. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but to say that employers in the IT field are looking towards certification more than a degree is absurd unless it is a support level tech position. Employers want a person with communication skills, problem solving skills, analytical skills, and soft skills in addition to tech skills. Certifications provide very little in the aforementioned. Besides, HR managers usually don’t know anything about technical skills and don’t bother with learning, they leave that up to the department manager who really looks at resumes to decide, but I guarantee that if a job calls for a degree and a person has applied without one, its chances of making from HR to the manager are very slim.

    Would you hire someone to manage a team of desktop support analysts that also is responsible for managing their budget with only A+ and Net+? No way, and neither does anyone else. If you want to make it past the tech level, you are eventually going to need advanced formal education.
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