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    I remember 5 or 6 years ago, when Windows 98 was still the core client operating system. My high school had this really good Computer Science Teacher that was also the system admin. He would probably be one of the few people that I would attribute my current and future successes to.

    Anyway, I *think* it was Novell 4, but it might have been 3.x, he ran that as the network service with each machine an imaging software, which I just did a search, seems to still be in existant today.

    Deep Freeze, I think of the 4 years I was there, there was only one incident of network failure, and no network down time. It wasnt a small school either, 2000 students, 30 computers in a lab, 5 labs. Plus teacher's workstations.

    I think it's pretty safe to say that Novell is still a major player in the game, Microsoft has just gotten ahead. Probably much ahead....
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    Quote Originally Posted by borumas
    but I'm very impressed with the Zenworks, Groupwise, and Iprint features we have implimented, and the ability to have a web based map of a site with printer locations shown where a user can click on the printer they want and have it installed automatically is really cool.
    And just for the sake of security, who can and cannot view this map?
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    The map is a file on the web server, so if the map needs restrictions, you can do it. But certainly you can restrict the printer itself.

    I was disappointed when Novell went to C1. It is written in Java and is doggon slow compared to NWAdmin. However, NWAdmin had snapin limitations. There are a few things that you have to do in NWAdmin or at least is much easier than in C1, but mostly you now use C1.

    Some features that they ported over to IManager that can be done in C1 is a bit hokey, mainly because of the limitations of the web interface. At least it was this way when I last worked with IManager, which admittedly was a while ago. Perhaps they made it better using Java.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bighornsheep
    I think it's pretty safe to say that Novell is still a major player in the game, Microsoft has just gotten ahead. Probably much ahead....
    As much as I used to be a Novell diehard, I'd have to say MS got a little ahead for a while. If you look at the NetWare 6.5 features and exam contents, it looks like Novell was trying to make NetWare 6.5 more competitive with Windows 2003 Small Business Server. Featurewise, they succeeded, I think, but the market didn't go their way.

    And why Novell NetWare in general? Many government and educational shops in the US use it because of better pricing, stability and security-- especially security. Even though Novell's trying hard to shed itself of the proprietary legacy, I think NetWare's going to have some strong niche markets almost right up to its retirement date in 2015. In fact, I'd be surprised if some of their big US customers didn't press them for a NetWare 7 (possible but not highly likely-- Novell would also probably have to offshore development of nearly the entire product from code to docs to make any money on it).
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    Ditto on having to reboot windows due to memory leakage. Console1 is easy to work with.
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    Novell is a great NOS... If you look at their edirectory and AD... a lot of function you see at AD are from Novell, specially those concept of the one login...

    Also, Novell was very popular back then, but it went down very quick after Bill clean up the house. Now, every company is a "MS house"
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    FYI on usage: I am an administrator for a K12 in Upstate New York. There is a lot of Netware 6 and 6.5 around here. I have 7 NW6 and 1 NW6.5OES servers here. Many K12s in our area of the state are still using Netware.
    However we are migrating to Novell SLES 10.1 and all of those Netware Servers will be SLES.
    I should point out that a Novell Linux Server has all the management tools and an NSS filesystem just like any Netware server and it looks the same to the end-user.
    Novell rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasor
    Novell is a great NOS... If you look at their edirectory and AD... a lot of function you see at AD are from Novell, specially those concept of the one login...

    Also, Novell was very popular back then, but it went down very quick after Bill clean up the house. Now, every company is a "MS house"
    Not EVERY house. There are still some NetWare hold-outs, and some other smart folks looking at options like Linux, Solaris and OS X Server. I think M$ has done a lot to make their sell more difficult over the last couple years, thus the options are starting to look more appealing.
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    Wow, after reading most of these replies, I am very impressed with people's qualifications. I am absolutely speechless. Every time I read somebody's profile and qualification, it motivates me even more to study, to just get in there and go for it (currently studying MCDST). Yeah, I have a long way to go.

    In 1999/2000, I attended Novell courses in South Africa. I passed the first subject (CNA) and could not continue due to the high costs of exams. Now living in the UK, it's a little bit more affordable. I am currently stuck in a job that frustrates me, so I decided to start studying IT again. So, here I am starting all over again.

    My question is, which of the two, Novell or Microsoft are more popular in the UK? Which of the two does most companies use in the UK? Is that a fair question or, is Novell really on their way back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqmar2001
    Wow, after reading most of these replies, I am very impressed with people's qualifications. I am absolutely speechless. Every time I read somebody's profile and qualification, it motivates me even more to study, to just get in there and go for it (currently studying MCDST). Yeah, I have a long way to go.

    In 1999/2000, I attended Novell courses in South Africa. I passed the first subject (CNA) and could not continue due to the high costs of exams. Now living in the UK, it's a little bit more affordable. I am currently stuck in a job that frustrates me, so I decided to start studying IT again. So, here I am starting all over again.

    My question is, which of the two, Novell or Microsoft are more popular in the UK? Which of the two does most companies use in the UK? Is that a fair question or, is Novell really on their way back?

    Martin.
    MS is used more than Novell in the UK but you will still find many shops using Novell.
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    #36
    Novell's major problem THEN more than now was/is they have NO idea how to market themselves. Netware was ALWAYS better than NT as a NOS. Through Ihaven't used it in years, I would imagine it still is.

    Hey... ever seen a Novell commercial? Me neither.... but I did see a single ad once in a NatGeo... back in the late 90s.

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    Cant really add to much more to what anyone says here, I only manage 300 users across 2 sites, nw6.5. However the main show stopper for me with nw is that whenever you look into buying new products ( either off the shelf or bespoke) we have to tell them that we dont use AD so theres no microsoft client installed on any pc etc etc. This normally results in alot of scratching of heads from the company you can see them thinking "NO active directory, but what else is there!!??" Alot of products you look into rely on standard microsoft ways of doing things so it is a constant battle to get the working product shoehorned into a netware environment.

    I do think netware is a great product and linux has a definate chance over the next few years but I am concerntrating my studies on MS products because at the moment thats what the majority of employers want. As I've supported netware in this job I dont think a cert is top priority as not many people have had current exposure to netware so if the next employer happens to use netware then my experience will properbly put me above those others who have not used it in the wild.
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    I manage a Netware 6/NT 4.0 hybrid domain which is moving over to Windows 2008 Server.. I got into the ball game with Windows 2000 Server with very little experience with NT but a lot of experience with client operating systems prior to that era.

    I can honestly say that my impression about Novell is this.. It was good for it's time but I do not like working in Consoleone, and having to use centralix linx to throw newly created users into their contexts..

    Things are a lot easier to manage in Active Directory Users, and Computers. I know Windows Server, and how it works.. The way Novell has modules created by everyone and their dog is kind of odd..

    I think Novell is doing a good thing throwing in with SuSE.. If I were in my 30s or 40s I would probably be a big Novell guy because it was more widely used back then. When I got out of HS, and knew I wanted to work in IT I wanted to do the CNE, and was advised to go down the Microsoft route.

    I can say that has been a better time investment since this is mainly the only place I've ran into that uses Netware.. It wasn't hard to pick up. To each his own..
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    Novell SUSE rock.......................

    Just went to the GroupWise 8 Power User training. Awesome feature and functions..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradtechonline View Post
    I manage a Netware 6/NT 4.0 hybrid domain which is moving over to Windows 2008 Server.. I got into the ball game with Windows 2000 Server with very little experience with NT but a lot of experience with client operating systems prior to that era.

    I can honestly say that my impression about Novell is this.. It was good for it's time but I do not like working in Consoleone, and having to use centralix linx to throw newly created users into their contexts..

    Things are a lot easier to manage in Active Directory Users, and Computers. I know Windows Server, and how it works.. The way Novell has modules created by everyone and their dog is kind of odd..

    I think Novell is doing a good thing throwing in with SuSE.. If I were in my 30s or 40s I would probably be a big Novell guy because it was more widely used back then. When I got out of HS, and knew I wanted to work in IT I wanted to do the CNE, and was advised to go down the Microsoft route.

    I can say that has been a better time investment since this is mainly the only place I've ran into that uses Netware.. It wasn't hard to pick up. To each his own..
    They are still using NT at your shop then? I figured it would still be lurking somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasor View Post
    Novell SUSE rock.......................

    Just went to the GroupWise 8 Power User training. Awesome feature and functions..
    That's great Kasor. Novell sent me an invite to a Groupwise 8 shindig but couldn't make it. I hope to gather up on Novell's latest offerings at the end of 2009. Tell us about the features of GW8 that impressed you.
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    I got a gift from the seminar, a crystal style brick with "Official GroupWise 8 Power User." Awesome...
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    Why all the bragging about how Netware "never needs rebooted". In the three years at my current job our Server 2003 boxes have only been shut down to relocate physically or because of extended power outages. Rock solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwwest7 View Post
    Why all the bragging about how Netware "never needs rebooted". In the three years at my current job our Server 2003 boxes have only been shut down to relocate physically or because of extended power outages. Rock solid.
    I don't know about bragging but so far as MCSE and CNE goes I have both certs and have supported each platform in my time so have some context comparing the two. Historically Novell servers were rock solid compared to MS servers. 2331 days uptime is extreme but an indication of this sort of thing with Netware servers is here.

    Cool Solutions: NetWare Server Uptime Contest Winners

    MS servers have improved no doubt but uptime of Netware servers has been a feature for many years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasor View Post
    I got a gift from the seminar, a crystal style brick with "Official GroupWise 8 Power User." Awesome...

    Free gifts are great, I got a mini usb powered digital photo frame when I went to an F5 Networks user group.

    I have never actually used it but still a nifty little thing for free!
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    No one has mentioned that you can use significantly fewer servers when using Novell than when using MS as a NOS.
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    Novell OLES is a good SVR. I believe it is much better than MS product. It is a Linux... U know and with VM on top of the SVR. You can do whatever consolidation you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasor View Post
    Novell OLES is a good SVR. I believe it is much better than MS product. It is a Linux... U know and with VM on top of the SVR. You can do whatever consolidation you want.
    I agree and next year I will be making headway with Linux/Unix training by investing in Novell's training offerings. From what I can see it's as good if not better than anything else out there. Novell have been working hard on linux platform and training offerings for a few years now and they look pretty comprehensive to me. With the practicum and a fair few years of doing Linux training with the CLP qualification under their belts as well as all the various OLES/VM developments coming out of Novell their training offerings for Enterprise Linux look a winner so far as I can see.
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    In Sweden around 70% of the counties (communes) use Novell Netware and also large sections of the state. Of course Microsoft is involved in many cases (a mail server or maybe SQL) but still many old versions of Novell Netware are out there. I don't know about the rest of Europe but I suppose it's a lot of Novell Netware out there.

    The tendency now is that the counties (communes) either must strictly go over to Microsoft or pick Linux because an upgrade is a must sooner or later to take advantage of new technology. SUSE was purchased by Novell some years ago and it's a much better stratgey to move over to SUSE than Microsoft because Microsoft is WAY MORE expensive (also other technical reasons). But I bet there still we be old Netware systems around for a very long time. And as for Microsoft....they are loosing more and more market because of Linux and Novell's Linux/Netware implementations. Time will tell.....
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    Just like Apple. Several years back people thought Apple was dead.
    Novell still has good products and is hanging in there. I saw a presentation last week and Novell has actually picked up some of the Linux market.
    Most of moves to Active Directory and thus Windows seem to be due to Applications requiring Active Directory. SQL databases.
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