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    Novell rocks. I checked the certification site this week and it looks like I can get the NCE with just two exams because Im already a CNE in Netware 6. This would give me the Linux implementation and integration qualification that has been on the backburner but at the same time actually using the platform for something..Netware.

    For me that gives me the Linux/Unix footprint I wanted in terms of training and certification. Its been years since I worked with Solaris and it would be good to get into the bash again.

    2 x Novell Study Kits and I will be set. Its on the radar this year.
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    Interesting, I actually thought Novell didn't exist anymore as I haven't seen it in 10 years since I was in high school. I can't imagine I will find the free time to try and learn it unless I happen to stumble across a job that requires me to know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan82 View Post
    Interesting, I actually thought Novell didn't exist anymore as I haven't seen it in 10 years since I was in high school. I can't imagine I will find the free time to try and learn it unless I happen to stumble across a job that requires me to know it.
    Novell is still used a lot and in someplaces preferred as the NOS to tie everything together from a secure accounts file and print perspective while still using MS products like Exchange and SQL server. Generally you find that Novell has been there years in such organisations with it remaining at the centre with MS taking over the desktop arena. Often groupwise is the email system of choice in these places.

    In my opinion its useful for ambitious MS candidates to at least study for the CNA as it could be a deal winner when applying for jobs that have Novell bedded in. Aside from that, studying the two affords the engineer comparisons that can only be made by studying two tracks. It makes you more balanced. Historically circa 1996 - 2001 we saw many people cross training from Novell to Microsoft or the other way around. The landscape then was Novell more or less everywhere but diminishing as Microsoft NT Server bedded in. A lot of migration work was going on. At the same time many companies were staying with Novell and upgrading to Netware 4.1, 5 or even 6 prefering it's edirectory over Active Directory. So we saw a lot of engineers with MCSE and CNE. For an extra couple of tests you could be MCNE but the option has gone now since the MCNE was retired in 2007.

    If you wish to work for an integrator as opposed to being an admin, having Novell certification could be very helpful as there is still a lot of it out there and they do some good products. In terms of hiring many recruiters had a higher opinion of CNE over MCSE as the Novell track encorporated more networking and server hardware awareness, and the testing of internet capabilities and NDS design was stronger. The CNE was more server and administration centric than the MCSE NT track. The networking fundamentals test was certainly better than MCSE's network essentials, and the CNE used to offer 'Service and Support' which MCSE did not. Service and Support is now encorporated into the latest exams for CNE. One of the failings of the MCSE in NT (of which there were many) was you could pass the exam by avoiding the elective 'Internetworking with TCP/IP', this was a serious flaw and left many candidates clueless once in the field. Another problem was the MCSE+I track which was weak in training MSCE's in real internet facing capabilities of the products and administration. I know one MCSE+I who was left feeling disappointed about the whole process to get it as it didn't give her the insights she was hoping for in terms of education about the internet and how to leverage it for NT server. The biggest failing of the MCSE in NT was it was young and as a consequence had less to leverage as compared to the CNE track which was well established with years of feedback from an admin community. So you were learning a lot about things you wouldn't use like software RAID (everyone used Compaq Hardware RAID controllers). At the sametime what was taught was mostly set it and forget it..no real training in login scripts and general admin duties. You could set the domain up, but how then to use it? Issues with authentication being flung across the WAN to PDC instead of using a LAN based BDC plagued many NT deployments as the registry hacks for the desktops (load balance parameter) were not taught. Similarly the training for profiles and outlook wasn't covered very well. The CNE was much stronger on admin type training.

    Do both tracks.
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    I guess nobody really going after Novell anymore. So quiet..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasor View Post
    I guess nobody really going after Novell anymore. So quiet..
    hehehe..not many. The shops still using it have timeserved CNEs these days. I find Novell sprinkled in a few shops but mainly for niche applications or appliances like Sentinel. Netware is no longer a greenfield file and print option for most organisations.
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    I am still finding a lot of SUSE Linux Enterprise systems still being utilized in the corporate environments. For linux distributions SUSE Enterprise is still a good buy and truely easy to administrate. I cant say what the future holds for SUSE Enterprise, but wont count them out.


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    Many Indiana school corporations are having a mass exodus this year from Netware to Microsoft Server 2008 R2. Academic pricing with Microsoft now just kicks Novell's ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pishof View Post
    Academic pricing with Microsoft now just kicks Novell's ass.
    Care to elaborate on the details of this?
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    My local community college still uses Novell Netware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exampasser View Post
    My local community college still uses Novell Netware.
    A number of places still do. That's why I advocate that people at least get the CNA if they are job hunting.
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    Final post on Novell.

    Great products, superb technologists. Shafted by bad management and marketing who made money and destroyed a bright company. A damn shame. Miles ahead of MS technically but I think the management got too big and fat and the company was ruined and the 'best' technology was passed over thanks to inadequate people collecting money at Novell and not pushing for changes that would have taken them into the lead.

    Equation..stay silent and collect money, or make a fuss and incur risk to career prospects as well as cost and risk to Novell to do marketing properly to grab the market that was out there for the taking..

    They took the easy option, incurred no cost by championing a change in strategy, took the salary and let MS and an inferior product kill them.


    Advice to technologists..follow the commercial/strategic track as soon as you can.

    Year X - egg head working on boxes..respected.
    Year Y - egg head working on boxes..ignored.

    Not exactly a revelation, check the industrial revolution in England in the 1800's. Back then, engineers ruled..later..ignored.

    Engineers make the world work..managers and money men rule the world.
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    I think you drank the Novell Kool-Aid.

    imho Server 2003 eclipsed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discount81 View Post
    I think you drank the Novell Kool-Aid.

    imho Server 2003 eclipsed it.
    I wouldn't go so far as to say "eclipsed it", but certainly, M$ was offering a more comprehensive package for its flagship server offering at that moment. Novell tried to up the ante with NetWare 6.5, but by then the ship had largely sailed.

    I'd agree with Turgon:
    Great products, superb technologists. Shafted by bad management and marketing who made money and destroyed a bright company. A damn shame. Miles ahead of MS technically but I think the management got too big and fat and the company was ruined and the 'best' technology was passed over thanks to inadequate people collecting money at Novell and not pushing for changes that would have taken them into the lead.
    It was long stated that Novell couldn't market their way out of a paper bag. The Novell vs. M$ thing ended up like VHS vs. Beta (or HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray), and most of us know who won out.
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    its a shame i have never used anything of novell, only heard of the name
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    Man, last time I have seen Novell was computers from 1999 booting up software at a military base while i was in high school.
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    Supporting 45 Novell Linux based servers and 8 Netware 6.5 servers.
    they are still around.

    at the time Netware 6.5 was product of the year. Very good and stable.

    i had one server stay up with no reboots or issues for nearly two years.
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    When DoD selected MS Exchange for messaging, that was the beginning of the end of Netware on military networks. You had to establish a Windows NT domain to run Exchange, which forced the choice of maintaining quasi-duplicate overlapping networks or ditching Novell and just running NT. For a short while there were straggler Novell file and print servers, but by 2000ish Novell was all but gone from the .mil.
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    I have not seen Novell servers in a very long time (though I loved them..). Also, noone (at least in my area) asks for a Novell certification anymore..
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