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    It is more of the Big Brother argument. You aren't doing anything wrong so why have something to hide? However what is wrong and right is not a measurable item. I think that is the big issue because what might be considered right can be wrong tomorrow. Now you're on the other side of the fence. When in the end, they shouldn't be there in the first place.

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    Just for fun, how does the CIA listening to my personal conversations have any effect on my life? I'm in no way saying it is OK. But what would they be doing with that information that would effect me in a bad way?

    Yes, I realize that it they are violating a Constitutional Amendment and shouldn't be able to do it. And I'm not asking the question in regards to other businesses, just the CIA. I'm sure most people on here know more than I do about this (haven't looked into too much personally) and asking cause I'm actually curious.
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    Not really sure if thats true. Ive never met anyone that lost their clearance because of clicking a link especially wiki.

    On top of that Fox news and CNN are streaming in the base. So does that mean anybody listening are going to lose their clearances?
    You can prove that they clicked it at work, but what about if they clicked it at home or in their phone? I think its pretty clear that the constitution protects your right at home.

    Are we saying that they will take away their clearances for clicking a link while hillary mentioned classified information such as nuke response time on TV and never went to jail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacoRocket View Post
    It is more of the Big Brother argument. You aren't doing anything wrong so why have something to hide? However what is wrong and right is not a measurable item. I think that is the big issue because what might be considered right can be wrong tomorrow. Now you're on the other side of the fence. When in the end, they shouldn't be there in the first place.
    Exactly right and well stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkNewb View Post
    ...I realize that it they are violating a Constitutional Amendment and shouldn't be able to do it...
    I think you've hit the 'N' on the 'H' here. 1st and 4th Amendments (or so I believe, but correct me if I'm wrong) at the very least. Does this count for nothing?
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    This will be my last reply to your comment on this thread because obviously you haven't taken the time in between the last one to actually do research. Now you look silly.

    First. It is a security violation according to the DoD. If you don't have a clearance or don't mean to get one this does not affect you. I don't care if you click on it and you're DoD. It's your clearance and not mine. Here is a PDF you can read from the DoD on this matter since you don't know how Google works https://fas.org/sgp/othergov/dod/wl-notice.pdf

    Second the media can access the Wikileaks because there has been court rulings about that. Here is another link about the media and classified material since you still don't know what Google is. While they may not have complete protection, why not let them take the risk, not you personally? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-chris-cuomo/

    Lastly, its not like clicking on it and boom your clearance is gone. This is something brought up when it comes to renewal. Where if you lie that can lead to them not renewing your clearance. Since it is a violation, you do have to report it, by DoD policy you need to speak with your ISM. I don't personally care if you do or not. Your ignorance on the matter is appalling.

    What I find hilarious above this is we are talking about CIA leaks. You probably know about the NSA leaks. The CIA leaks talk about them getting into IoT devices. You think the DoD doesn't watch Wikileaks? Yes you have a right to privacy but if this is your political stand as a DoD clearance holder this is a really weak one. If you're not then your argument about DoD policy is ignorant or you just don't know to Google. I would expect something better from someone like you on this forum. Not this.

    TLDR: If you don't have a clearance or don't care about getting one go click the links. If you have clearance or want to keep one please get the information indirectly. In the end, it is not my clearance who has the potential to be lost.

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    Not really sure if thats true. Ive never met anyone that lost their clearance because of clicking a link especially wiki.

    On top of that Fox news and CNN are streaming in the base. So does that mean anybody listening are going to lose their clearances?
    You can prove that they clicked it at work, but what about if they clicked it at home or in their phone? I think its pretty clear that the constitution protects your right at home.

    Are we saying that they will take away their clearances for clicking a link while hillary mentioned classified information such as nuke response time on TV and never went to jail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob42 View Post
    I think you've hit the 'N' on the 'H' here. 1st and 4th Amendments (or so I believe, but correct me if I'm wrong) at the very least. Does this count for nothing?
    It does, but is it worth using one's time to change something that will have no foreseeable impact on their life.

    It is more of the Big Brother argument. You aren't doing anything wrong so why have something to hide? However what is wrong and right is not a measurable item. I think that is the big issue because what might be considered right can be wrong tomorrow. Now you're on the other side of the fence. When in the end, they shouldn't be there in the first place.
    I can understand this viewpoint. That would a be good argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacoRocket View Post
    This will be my last reply to your comment on this thread because obviously you haven't taken the time in between the last one to actually do research. Now you look silly.

    First. It is a security violation according to the DoD. If you don't have a clearance or don't mean to get one this does not affect you. I don't care if you click on it and you're DoD. It's your clearance and not mine. Here is a PDF you can read from the DoD on this matter since you don't know how Google works https://fas.org/sgp/othergov/dod/wl-notice.pdf

    Second the media can access the Wikileaks because there has been court rulings about that. Here is another link about the media and classified material since you still don't know what Google is. While they may not have complete protection, why not let them take the risk, not you personally? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-chris-cuomo/

    Lastly, its not like clicking on it and boom your clearance is gone. This is something brought up when it comes to renewal. Where if you lie that can lead to them not renewing your clearance. Since it is a violation, you do have to report it, by DoD policy you need to speak with your ISM. I don't personally care if you do or not. Your ignorance on the matter is appalling.

    What I find hilarious above this is we are talking about CIA leaks. You probably know about the NSA leaks. The CIA leaks talk about them getting into IoT devices. You think the DoD doesn't watch Wikileaks? Yes you have a right to privacy but if this is your political stand as a DoD clearance holder this is a really weak one. If you're not then your argument about DoD policy is ignorant or you just don't know to Google. I would expect something better from someone like you on this forum. Not this.

    TLDR: If you don't have a clearance or don't care about getting one go click the links. If you have clearance or want to keep one please get the information indirectly. In the end, it is not my clearance who has the potential to be lost.
    CNN is fake news. Lets get that out of the way.
    Find me a person in the govt or contractor that have lost their clearance. So far you didnt post any article of that.
    "shall not access" CNN, fox news, facebook, instagram have posted this. Everyone had access to it. Give me an article that shows a person who accessed it and lost their clearance.

    CNN telling me what to do. WTF is this china?
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    Ah yes ... CNN. Fond memories of the 2016 election.

    "Remember, it’s illegal to possess WikiLeaks Clinton emails, but it’s different for the media" CNN’s Chris Cuomo
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    The real accomplishment here is that many are conditioned to lash out at mainstream media outlets like never before; while the data released by Russian mouthpieces such as Assange and his WikiLeaks organization goes largely unquestioned.
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    Thanks Taco!!
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    The days of the random white van sitting outside someone's home is over. We can argue until we're blue in the face regarding the ethics behind it, but it will never change. The government will not allow oversight from the public for surveillance and spying operations - for obvious reasons.

    If you think any of your IoT items are safe because big corps are looking out for the consumer's privacy, I have some terrible news.

    If you don't want people snooping through your stuff, stay off the internet. Otherwise, your local spy agency and neighborhood neck beard will get their opportunity.
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    CIA lurk wikileaks and reddit /netsec so it's plausible they lurk TE, in conclusion TACOROCKET is getting down voted by the CIA.
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