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    Thats a great analogy again keatron, inspires me for my studies

    But those cokes are full fat cokes yeh? no girly diet cokes with lemon or lime twists?

    Cheers!
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    Just to follow up on this thread, if someone wanted to follow this path and doesn't yet have network+ would you guys recommend getting the network+ before moving onto the security+?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenlakin
    Just to follow up on this thread, if someone wanted to follow this path and doesn't yet have network+ would you guys recommend getting the network+ before moving onto the security+?
    I guess it depends on your current level of networking knowledge. Could you tell me which ports on a firewall would be required to be opened for HTTP and SSL? Do you understand network-related command-line utilities, such as netstat? You can get through the Security+ with a fairly rudimentary level of networking knowledge. You're not going to have to do subnetting or anything like that. If you're feeling shaky, you should probably start with the Network+.

    Here's the official word from CompTIA:

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    Although not a prerequisite, it is recommended that CompTIA Security+ candidates have at least two years on-the-job networking experience, with an emphasis on security. The CompTIA Network+ certification is also recommended.
    http://certification.comptia.org/security/
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    keatron, you are my personal Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keatron View Post
    Be careful with this assumption. I've had many people sit my CEH class and realize they should have had Security+ level knowledge under their belts first. I by have it, I actually mean have it, not just pass the test.

    I would say probably Sec+ (even if you do it self study).
    Then MCSA:Sec
    Then CEH
    Then SSCP
    At this point I'd suggest getting some Cisco in there. And you must start with CCNA, Then work the CCSP route (will not be easy, but worth it).

    By this time you should be very ready to start preparing for the CISSP.
    This is all great advice - assuming that one has an unlimited amount of time to pursue certifications. Some of us aren't necessarily in too much of a rush to get something, but we don't want to spend years at it, either. 1-3 good certs are valuable enough for most of us.
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    I think the CISSP is one of those certs you get if you are going to be a network security professional. This is not a cert for some one who just wants to knock out one or two quick exams and get just some sort of IT job. This exam is for someone who is going to get into the industry, decide on security as their path and pursue it on a professional level for the long haul. The certs you take in your path to the CISSP are just part of your professional development whether it be Microsoft, Linux, or a Cisco path (most careers involve a mixed path). You don't get to just take the CISSP. You have to show that you have years of network security experience. It is in my plan as well. Of course, my goal is to be and CISO one day.
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    been looking for an analogy of that, thanks.

    coming from someone getting his cans...
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    coming from someone getting his cans...
    Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that you'd have so much in common with a 12-year-old girl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by keatron View Post

    I would say probably Sec+ (even if you do it self study).
    Then MCSA:Sec
    Then CEH
    Then SSCP
    At this point I'd suggest getting some Cisco in there. And you must start with CCNA, Then work the CCSP route (will not be easy, but worth it).

    By this time you should be very ready to start preparing for the CISSP.
    Would having Sec+, MCSA: Sec, CEH, SSCP, CCNA help me get a call for an entry level IT security position with a masters degree and without any experience?
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    It's difficult to hop directly to a security position. You'd probably be better off trying to get into a systems/networking administration position and working your way up from there.
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    Would having Sec+, MCSA: Sec, CEH, SSCP, CCNA help me get a call for an entry level IT security position with a masters degree and without any experience?
    You usually won't even get a call without front line x amount of experience. Entry level security is essentially senior admin work. In essence you'd be getting these certs over the course of years as you move through your career. It's what i look for when hiring because so many people just cram pass the test and forget.
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    Now I understand why experience matters in security!! So would these certifications help me get into an admin job over an year? If not what do you expect out of a no-experience sys/network admin applicant? Though it might depend on your requirement, i'm just trying to get an idea from employers perspective.
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    I signed up just to thank keatron for cutting to the chase and giving the noobs and semi-noobs out there a giant heap of useful info condensed into one small list and a few paragraphs after (the great coke can analogy.) I've been spreading myself out over several areas of IT (security, networking, web design, programming) while living in D.C. and one thing I've noticed is that people here tend to be annoying when you ask them even basic questions about certs and such. I understand worrying about competition from other pros and not wanting to talk shop when you're out having drinks or whatever, but I mean people here NEVER want to help in any way, shape or form. I've seriously had guys get angry when I asked what their cert acronym stood for.

    So thanks for not being selfish and not talking down to the new folks. Maybe it's just this area, but those are traits more people in the IT field should have.
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    That's ridiculous. The people who are afraid to share knowledge are the people who are afraid to learn and adapt and are clinging on to whatever menial jobs they have. I'm going to definitely try to hit up Shmoocon this year, so try and make it out. I'm more than willing to share knowledge in exchange for alcohol
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    Going to be out front with the "Will hack 4 booze" sign dynamik?
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    Just my 2c.... to say that this thread has fantastic info\direction in it.

    Makes me realise why I stick around this forum.... not matter how much work tries to keep me away from it!
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    ================================================== =======

    CompTIA: A+ & Network+

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    Nice six pack you got. No Sec+,lol
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    KABOOM! Keatron just dropped a bomb!!

    Seriously. Very sound advice. I'll be taking this path approach once I get Server 2008 EA certified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorDoku View Post
    I signed up just to thank keatron for cutting to the chase and giving the noobs and semi-noobs out there a giant heap of useful info condensed into one small list and a few paragraphs after (the great coke can analogy.) I've been spreading myself out over several areas of IT (security, networking, web design, programming) while living in D.C. and one thing I've noticed is that people here tend to be annoying when you ask them even basic questions about certs and such. I understand worrying about competition from other pros and not wanting to talk shop when you're out having drinks or whatever, but I mean people here NEVER want to help in any way, shape or form. I've seriously had guys get angry when I asked what their cert acronym stood for.

    So thanks for not being selfish and not talking down to the new folks. Maybe it's just this area, but those are traits more people in the IT field should have.
    Not surprising it is very powerful, I read this gazillion times for past 2 years!
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    The six-can analogy is pretty awesome

    Registered to learn more about Security certs, and debating between GIAC 301 or 401.

    DoD 8570, 301 satisfies IAM Level I. Whereas, 401 is IAT Level II. I thought it was the other way around.
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    401 is pretty basic in its own right. I think you'd be disappointed with 301 if you're at all into security; I'd recommend that course to my mom.

    Does 501 fit in there anywhere? That's the Advanced Security Essentials course, and it would probably be the most interesting of the three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamik View Post
    401 is pretty basic in its own right. I think you'd be disappointed with 301 if you're at all into security; I'd recommend that course to my mom.

    Does 501 fit in there anywhere? That's the Advanced Security Essentials course, and it would probably be the most interesting of the three.


    Thanks, dynamik. I'd like to ensure that the bootcamp/certification doesnt go way over my head. Hence, I'm debating between 301 and 401. Although I've been to Keesler AFB for my 2E2X1 AFSC, I'm still a fetus in the field of Security, so I have not considered the 501..lol.

    I would like to take a bootcamp where I can learn as much on technical aspect. C&A using ODAA, Gold Disk, and CHAP8 isnt really that much of a help on progressing my security knowledge.

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    exactly the answer i was looking for , thank you keatron
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    I'm glad Keatron posted that info which helps me down the security path.
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    Wow, thank keatron. Awesome information.
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