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    Default Is mile2 known IT sec field?

    they have cool certs like Certified Pen Tester Engineer that doesnt require 2 years exp like CEH , their site : Certified Ethical Hacker, Penetration Testing, Digital Forensics | mile2
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    Personally I would find another company to get training from. None of their certifications are known in the industry. I have tried their material because I won a contest last year, I was very displeased with the material (at least 2-4 years old).
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    Logically you'll want to know if employers value the cert. My official informal test is running it through Indeed.com

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    they have cool certs like Certified Pen Tester Engineer that doesnt require 2 years exp like CEH , their site : Certified Ethical Hacker, Penetration Testing, Digital Forensics | mile2
    Never heard of them. If you are looking for pentesting certifications, your main players are going to be CEH, OSCP, and GPEN. OSCP does not require experience. And in my opinion, that's the best entry level pentesting cert you can get.
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    Personally I would find another company to get training from. None of their certifications are known in the industry. I have tried their material because I won a contest last year, I was very displeased with the material (at least 2-4 years old).
    To be fair though...I took the official CEH course and all of their content (especially the labs) was very out-of-date also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_hutch View Post
    To be fair though...I took the official CEH course and all of their content (especially the labs) was very out-of-date also.
    Mile2 is still miles behind any security/ pen testing certification. I've spoken with their CEO Ray and he said they were going to update the material in the first quarter of this year...that didn't happen.
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    I'm going to disagree with the main body here. I found Mile2's CPTE material supirior to EC-Council's CEH. I cant say the cert itself will help you, but the material IMO, was good stuff.
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    I have attempted CPTE and CEH both certifications, and according to learning point of view i found Mile2 Stuff much better then CEH. I am in IT Security industry since many years, CPTE and other Mile2 certifications have less marketing but these are well known certifications in industry.
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    It's odd izhar's one and only post on the forum is boosting about a certification/company that is pretty much unproven and unknown....
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    The ISC2 has been well known for years as well as SANS/GIAC. Really fighting the marketing muscle here as well as the fact that these organizations have gone the extra mile (no pun intended) to become ANSI certified, etc. While you look at what E-Commerce (EC) Council or mile2 haven't bothered with either, so both are relatively unknowns, so to say from a proven it standpoint. C|EH was hot a few years ago but the lack of support and keeping materials up to date have lead to a reputation of being aloof at best within the security industry. Mile2? Never heard of them to be frank. Then again there are a number of really good training organizations out there with some very impressive material but still fairly unknown and no underlying certification backing them up. Again, I am referring to organizational certs like ANSI or similar.

    So even though these organizations may have great material they are in reality just start up organizations and may not have a lot of staying power. Making them difficult to trust in the longer term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by izhar View Post
    I have attempted CPTE and CEH both certifications, and according to learning point of view i found Mile2 Stuff much better then CEH. I am in IT Security industry since many years, CPTE and other Mile2 certifications have less marketing but these are well known certifications in industry.
    Something is fishy here.
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    If you search TE for "mile2" you will find this discussion cropping up from time to time. Years ago there was a posting pointing to a Mile2 page bad-mouthing the EC-Council and their certs. Seeing as how Mile2 is now a CEH training provider, you'll probably have to find that link at www.waybackmachine.org.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuckTheFankees View Post
    It's odd izhar's one and only post on the forum is boosting about a certification/company that is pretty much unproven and unknown....
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    Something is fishy here.
    Definitely a spy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by beads View Post
    The ISC2 has been well known for years as well as SANS/GIAC. Really fighting the marketing muscle here as well as the fact that these organizations have gone the extra mile (no pun intended) to become ANSI certified, etc. While you look at what E-Commerce (EC) Council or mile2 haven't bothered with either, so both are relatively unknowns, so to say from a proven it standpoint. C|EH was hot a few years ago but the lack of support and keeping materials up to date have lead to a reputation of being aloof at best within the security industry. Mile2? Never heard of them to be frank. Then again there are a number of really good training organizations out there with some very impressive material but still fairly unknown and no underlying certification backing them up. Again, I am referring to organizational certs like ANSI or similar.

    So even though these organizations may have great material they are in reality just start up organizations and may not have a lot of staying power. Making them difficult to trust in the longer term.

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    I believe CEH v8 is ANSI accredited. It got some sort of accreditation, though I could care less about it. For my purposes, its about as useless as the CNSS certifications.
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    I believe CEH v8 is ANSI accredited. It got some sort of accreditation, though I could care less about it. For my purposes, its about as useless as the CNSS certifications.
    While I definitely agree with you, I have to admit that I do still list the CNSS accrediations, for each university I attend, on my resume. While I would probably do the same (i.e. list the ANSI accrediation on my resume), I'm not going to make an additional effort to move from v7 to v8 just because of it.
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    The CEHv8 meets the ISO/IEC 17024 Personnel Certification Accreditation. It's a quality assurance standard for the certification of humans in areas of skills and knowledge. You know, the kinds of stuff we talk about here at TE.

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    Default NSA CNSS approved - Kali Linux

    mile2's classes are NSA CNSS approved and feature the new Kali Linux distro in their most courses. I haven't heard when SANS or EC will be updating there content to reflect Kali. On a different note, for those who haven't downloaded and tried it, it's simply awesome. The best and most major change is that the platform went from UBUNTU to Debian. It does look a bit different but it's way easier to grab any tool you want from where ever you are at in the app. This beats having to navigate through a never ending pentest tree. I have entailed the download area for anyone who wants to give it a look. You have over 300 tools already integrated and best of all, it's still free: Download Official Kali Images | Kali Linux Official Documentation
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    I don't think we've ever met anyone with multiple M2 certs, what was your opinion of the CPTE?
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    I actually got both of them for free. In short, the labs were good, the exam is a bit easier than I had anticipated. I used their exam prep guide to pass and as long a you use it you should have a good chance to get "er done". On a different note, I see that your in the military, did you know that they give the exam certs/CBT videos to you're guys in their September months every year at no expense? You have to be in the service, a veteran or active in one of the US government/state agencies. Here is some info but you'll be able to find all the details on the mile2 site in September: https://www.ethicalhacker.net/forums...0/topicseen,1/
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    I think the C)PTE is a poor man's C|EH... and you have no one in your corner to verify your 2 year experience.

    At the end of the day you still need to know how to professionally penetrate the network.

    I am still debating on this and I am trying to convince my Director to pay for the training ... for the C|EH
    if not ... because the course-ware is $450 vs. $800 ... the exam is $300 vs $ 500
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    The C)PTE course actually goes through the entire process of a penetration test which includes the report writing. In the course kit, they include a beefy 280 page lab guide that works, although you need to rent the cyber range or build the environment yourself, which is a royal pain. Their advance course C)PTC goes through pen testing layer 2-4 boxes like firewalls, IDS's and routers. I personally have not taken the advance class but it appears inviting. In any case, I have been part of over 30 pen tests the last 3 years and I did find the C)PTE to be competent.

    As for the cost, the C|EH home study is $1500 alone ($800 kit, $100 app fee, $600 for exam) and for the same price you can get the C)PTE home study kit/exam plus the their cyber range and CBT video for a few bucks less than that. It's my opinion that although SANS is really good, their prices are unreasonable and unless your not having your company pay for it, your kind of out of luck.
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    Owned.

    Yes, I am aware of the M2 program, I viewed some of the CPTE course ware a year or 2 ago. I found it to be better than EC-Council's. In my mind a comparison in order would go like this:

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    Default Dont Forget SANS GPEN

    QEH is an emulation of the CEH so I would drop it down above C|EH and place SANS GPEN on top. SANS does have the most robust pen testing program with out a doubt but they aint the long ranger any more in that space. Certification programs all over the world are starting to gain some serious steam as the market space is getting more familiar with that discipline.
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    Thank you for advise ....

    As you can see I have the Mile 2 fundamental certifications... and I have a year access to C)PTE program. I am my director is mulling over which is more credited and what will help become a Security Analyst for the company I work for. She and other directors don't want to loose me, because I am not scared to jump in an help on any issue. I don't care if it isn't in my job responsibilities ... if I can fix it ... I will fix it and I have t plead with an Engineer to take over a ticket or when the help desk is bombed with calls I will clear the queue.

    If your wondering what I do I work in a Data Center and the Network Operation Center... I deal with DR/BCP a lot

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    Again Thank you for your opinion. Have a happy weekend

    I will meet with my director on Monday.
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    so far Mile2 Customer Service experience has been awesome and very prompt(same day or next day replies). EC Council ... it takes days or weeks to get a respond.

    I asked a question on E|CSS and the C|EH 2 months ago and the communication as been bleak and bland.
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