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    Default Beware of VMware certs

    Just kind of a heads up to anyone thinking about getting a VMware certification...

    Today is actually my last day working at VMware. Management here was great and good place to work, but their certification department is the worst I've seen. I passed the ICM back in January, took the vSphere foundations exam, then passed the VCP6-DTM shortly afterwards. Since it said it can take up to 30 days, I gave them a bit of time, but never got my certification.

    I emailed their certification department regarding this. After a few days I get a response stating I didn't take the ICM and they closed my case. I call them up and reopen it, but the guy that owns the case isn't available. I let them know I did take it and it's on my VMware account. Get an email reply shortly saying the ICM I took (View 6.0 ICM) doesn't qualify because the class code doesn't match their supported ICMs. However I'm supporting the product they are certifying me on and the certificate I got for completing the ICM was signed by the CEO of VMware. This course was taught by a VMware employee and is their standard course for anyone supporting View, Mirage, Workspace, etc.

    I got my manager involved and they ignored him basically. So looks like I won't actually have a VCP as I'm not spending money out of my own pocket for another ICM.

    My situation is probably rare, but just word to the wise, make sure the ICM you take 100% qualifies or you'll be in the same boat as me. If I had spent 1500/2k out of pocket for this I'd be livid.
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    Good grief. That is horrendous.
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    Did they terminate you for not getting certified?

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    No, I left on my own accord, not related to the certification in any way. I wanted to pursue a career in Infosec and got on with LogRhythm, who develops a SIEM.
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    Default Amen to this thread!

    I was told by our vmware partner contact that he would waive the class requirement if I passed the VCP5 exam a year or so back, and after that he stated that the class was waived during a promotional period (which was now over), which if that were disclosed I would not have taken my time studying like I did.

    Between him, my companies vendor contact, and his manager I provided an email that told me the class would be waived with no timelines or restrictions. Here is the actual verbiage of the email of if they offered discounts for my company to take VCP exams:

    "(Myname) – You can now take the VCP Exam without having to go through the actual course. Please follow the link below. There are also exam materials on that same site."

    I will never give another penny to that company, their certification process is a joke, and apparently their certification department is an even bigger laugh.
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    There is usually some type of time limit involved when the waivers are granted.

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    Ya their certification process is stupid. First you have to take a class that costs thousands of dollars. Secondly once you take that course you have to register your vmware account (or link it with your current). Once that is done you have to get your class validated (like a 2k debit from an account is valid enough). once validated you can then take the exam.

    They are streamlining this process so that you no longer have to get the class validated. I also think it's crazy you cannot link your personal account with vmware. My.vmware.com is linked to your business account, which is going to be your business email address. What do you do once you are no longer working there? it's kinda stupid how this whole process pans out.

    Anyways, good luck to you. I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience. I'm lucky to this point and I haven't had any bad experiences, just the process is a complete joke and costs far more than any other certification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markulous View Post
    No, I left on my own accord, not related to the certification in any way. I wanted to pursue a career in Infosec and got on with LogRhythm, who develops a SIEM.
    Congrats! I love LogRhythm, fav SIEM. I would love to be a sales engineer for them one day. What will your role be?
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    It's a support role for their product. My goal is to use 6 to 12 months of that to get into a analyst type role and finally get out of support once and for all.
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    I'll be sending sys logs to Logrythm from our filers shortly. Make sure you give priority to my stuff
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    Lol sounds good.
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    I sat a Beta ICM for vROPS 6.1 back in the day as PSO partner ... Education would not want to accept it for our competency which required the ICM for vROPS 6.0 - even though THEY booked me into that course to begin with ...

    Took months to sort ...
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    The requirements for VCP6-DTM are pretty clear, and from what you've said you have met them:

    1. Take one of the classes: Horizon (with View): Install, Configure, Manage [V6] OR Horizon (with View): Install, Configure, Manage [V6] On Demand OR Horizon (with View): Install, Configure, Manage [V6.2] OR Horizon: Design and Deploy [V6] OR VMware Mirage [V5.0] and Horizon with View [V6.0]: Fast Track
    2. Pass the vSphere Foundations exam
    3. Pass the VCP6-DTM exam

    So the View 6.0 ICM should have qualified you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexluethar View Post
    Ya their certification process is stupid. First you have to take a class that costs thousands of dollars. Secondly once you take that course you have to register your vmware account (or link it with your current). Once that is done you have to get your class validated (like a 2k debit from an account is valid enough). once validated you can then take the exam.

    They are streamlining this process so that you no longer have to get the class validated. I also think it's crazy you cannot link your personal account with vmware. My.vmware.com is linked to your business account, which is going to be your business email address. What do you do once you are no longer working there? it's kinda stupid how this whole process pans out.
    The class requirement? This helps the VCP actually have some sort of meaning/recognition in the industry, unlike certifications from many other vendors.

    The new exam reg process? This has finally corrected a lot of pain.

    myLearn accounts? You can create a new account and email mylearn_support@vmware.com to ask them to merge your old one with your new one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott28tt View Post
    The class requirement? This helps the VCP actually have some sort of meaning/recognition in the industry, unlike certifications from many other vendors.
    Which vendors have meaningless and unrecognized certifications?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPG View Post
    Which vendors have meaningless and unrecognized certifications?
    I am curious as well...
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    VMware certs are nothing but a money grabbing scam by VMware. They showed their true colors when they switched to the pathetically laughable "re-certification track", which shows that they are much more interested in making money than anything else. I am happy to never give another penny to VMware, and am cancelling my $20k contract the moment it is up. AWS, here I come!
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    Agreed with the re-certification thing. That's my biggest issue with them. They expire every 2 years (which is not typical since Cisco and other vendors do 3 years), but I don't understand why they expire. They're based on versions. Once you're certified on VCP5, why would something change to where you need to re-certify?
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    The same goes with CompTia Security + CE. I 'continued' my education (40 hours) and now I don't have to get certified now until 2018. Pretty sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markulous View Post
    Agreed with the re-certification thing. That's my biggest issue with them. They expire every 2 years (which is not typical since Cisco and other vendors do 3 years), but I don't understand why they expire. They're based on versions. Once you're certified on VCP5, why would something change to where you need to re-certify?
    Because its a money grab from VMware. First off, the fact that you need to re-test is pathetic. I have MANY certifications, most of which expire. The number that require a re-test to recertify is nill for me, they require CPEs. Lets look at other professions, do doctors have to re-take their boards? No. Do Lawyers have to re-take the bar? No. Why? Because these arent run by greedy scum sucking companies like VMware. On top of that, if they really cared about people keeping "up to date" with their skills (their pathetic BS excuse for doing this), they would require that you take the test on the SAME product to re-certify. Instead, I can pass my View exam and that will re-certify my VCP, WTF? Im patiently waiting for the day that the next big thing in virtualization technology comes along and puts VMware out of business, it will probably be a while, but hopefully it will happen and we can rid the wold of the joke called VMware.
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    I hate renewing certifications
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    I am (was?) considering going for the VCP6 in something (DCV probably) to be more marketable in the areas I'm wanting to move to. I'm fortunate enough and willing enough to pay for the ICM out of pocket to make it happen, but I've always thought that it was on the ludicrous side to require that kind of investment in addition to taking the exam. I work with building, maintaining, or expanding Hyper-V clusters a good part of the time, so VM concepts, configurations, and operations aren't new to me. Typically, boot camps are frowned upon, but VMware requires it? Seems like an unnecessary evil to me.

    As for scott's statement that the ICM class helps make it more credible unlike other vendors, I'd have to defer to a precedent VMware has already set for themselves. For a time, my CCNA would have satisfied the VCP6-NV ICM requirement, but I got around to looking at the certifications too late and that expired at the end of January, so I know they are at least willing to entertain the idea of equivalent instruction, which means they've acknowledged in that case, at least, that passing another vendor's exam is good enough for them...even if that vendor doesn't require a class and is one of the vendors you were referring to as having little meaning or recognition because it doesn't.

    While I'm considering the cert, this ICM requirement makes it sound more like a country club...if you can afford (or get an employer to pay for) the training, we'll give you the cert...other than that, sorry.
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    From someone who's taken the VCP course, I can say that it gives you a good base to start learning vSphere, so it's not a waste of money if in the end the knowledge acquired yields you better opportunities, both career wise and financially.

    Personally I would not recommend it to experienced admins, but it does give the certification some value when a course is required in order to obtain a certification, you are actually in class doing labs and learning (brings value). The cost of the course is high, last time I checked, it was 4K+, but that's supposed to be paid by the employer, not employee. Second, the re-certification policy in my opinion is a good idea from a "knowledge refresh", I can understand the frustration to having to pay for it, but for that, you can always do the delta exam at half the cost to re-certify if need be.

    The way I see it, if I am certified in something from 5 years ago, I am pretty certain that in IT, everything that I studied for 5 years ago, might not be relevant today, so why would I say I have the knowledge of a VCP3 when the technology today is almost completely different? The way I see it, no need to redo the same exam every two years, just do the new version, learn new things and automatically re-certify yourself by passing the new exam.
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    This is why I have never pursued a VMWare certification. Why am I going to pay for a class when I can teach myself better then the professor can? I know how I learn best, why would I sit through hours of a class when I can simply self study?

    Stupid policy if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philz1982 View Post
    This is why I have never pursued a VMWare certification. Why am I going to pay for a class when I can teach myself better then the professor can? I know how I learn best, why would I sit through hours of a class when I can simply self study?

    Stupid policy if you ask me.
    Good point, I also prefer self-study when possible. However not everyone is like you or me, some people have a hard time studying on their own. Some need a structure like what modules to study, what labs to do, how much time to spend on a topic, asking questions because the material because its hard to understand, etc.

    The course is not for everyone, but it doesn't mean that it has no value because you, your self can study and learn things at a faster rate. To you, the course does not bring value, and that's perfectly fine.

    Unfortunately, the course requirement is for everyone, regardless of your skill level or aptitude for learning on your own. That's where having a good employer who is willing to send you on training is very important.
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